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Topic Subject:Hindu Mythology - LONG!!! - this does belong here
posted 04-13-03 06:13 PM EDT (US)         
OK. Here are my ideas. Post all your ideas, I'll post my new ones. Remember, I'm a hindu. I know some stuff. Sorry if I act like a staff member...

How to gain favor? My idea is that you create special units, such as a rishi, a guru, or a yogi. You'll know what I mean if you're a Hindu. If you aren't, look it up.

I don't care much for the human soldiers and that stuff. Feal free to post any ideas, though.

One more thing: I am bad at estimating costs.

Archaic Age gods (major):
Brahma, the Creator

Focus: Armory and human soldiers
God Power: Create - cast on a unit to duplicate it completely.
Research: 1,000 Petaled Lotus-Favor generated faster, Rishis, Gurus, and Yogis cost less favor.

Vishnu, the Sustainer/Protector

Focus: Infantry
God Power: Immortality - Grants a unit immortality for some time.
Research: Sudarshana Chakra - Discus Laucners (a. infantry like TA's that launch spiked discs, b. the best name i could think of) have homing discs (too good) /more attack.

An additional thought is being able to milk cows and goats.
Mainly because cows are sacred. (Not worshipped [!!])

Shiva, the Destroyer

Focus: Myth Units/Heroes
God Power: (no idea, perhaps a bolt-like or undermine-like GP?)
Research: Dance of Destruction - Myth Units more attack and HP

I think that my major gods have too offensive GPs and researches. What do you think?

Minor Gods: (Not sure about which age which or anything.)
These are a bit harder...

Classical Age:

Saraswati, Goddess of Knowledge

Research Focus: Armory/Villagers
God Power: (No idea)
Myth Unit: Don't know, but she is always shown with a swan.
[Something like the Book of Thoth, since she usually has a book in her hand]
[something having to do with music, maybe]

Laxmi, Goddess of Wealth

Research Focus: Villagers, specifically gold
God Power: Gold Coins - (Something like prosperity, or maybe for some time gold coins shower down and you get lots of gold, or something like that
Researches: (Don't know)
Myth Unit: Sea Elephant (200 or so food, 20 or so favor)
A naval, slightly weaker war elephant

Durga, Slayer of Demons (she's a fun one to do)

Research Focus: Human Soldier Attack (Sort of like ares)
Weapons of the Devas: (If you're wondering, a deva is another word for a minor god.) 1. a GP that greatly increases attack, like Flaming Weapons 2. Human Soldiers more attack 3. Break it down to:

Hanuman's Mace: (Whatever it should be called, people with maces) have more attack (200 gold, 20 favor)

Shiva's Trident: (Whatever it should be called, people with tridents) have more attack (200 food, 20 favor)

(Possibly, if not for Vishnu,) Sudarshana Chakra: discus people have more attack (200 wood, 20 favor)

(Otherwise...maybe...) Bow of Arjuna (Who else?): archer people more attack (200 wood, 20 favor)

Myth Unit: Lion (what to call it? maybe lion of durga?)
Similar to Nemean Lion, but what about special attack?

Another idea for researches:
Lion of Ambika: Lions to Lion of Ambika...whatever that does

Lion of Kali: Lions to Lion of Kali...same thing

Yet another idea:
Mahakali: Myth Units/heroes more attack

A final thought for classical:
All three goddesses get 1 kind of lion:
Lion of Durga/Lion of Ambika/Lion of Kali, each with a different special.

gettin' tired from this long post...

Indra, king of the devas (not an easy 1 for me...)

God Power: dont know
MU: possibly his white elephant, don't remember his name
Research focus: dont know, probably heroes

Vayu, deva of wind

God Power: something having to do with wind/frost
MU: once again something to do with wind/frost
Research Focus: so far villies
Breath of Life: villies move faster, carry more, more HP

Agni, deva of fire

God Power: something to do with fire?
MU: a firy horse, special== breath fire (150 food, 25 favor)
Researches: Devotion of Uttanka - Heroes regenerate HP/more HP

Yama, god of death (don't know if he's a deva)

God Power: don't know
MU: don't know
researches don't know

Wondering why I even mentioned him? So that u know.

Kama, god of love (sort of like cupid)

God Power: don't know
MU: don't know
(something along the lines of his little arrow+shoot=love)

(same as Yama)
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Later on gods:

Krishna, god of (?) just a important god

God Power: do not know
MU: also don't know, but i should
[he was a cowherd, but who would want anything with cows in the mythic?]
[another thing: he was vishnu reborn]

108 Names: (Who knows? He just had 108 names.)

Just remembered my idea...

Mahabharata: Perhaps something like dionysus's HP thing? or... heroes more attack. (250 wood, 20 favor)

Bhagvad Gita: Same thing...

Arjuna (must have something about him)

Mantra to the Gods: All human soldiers cheaper/(if heroic) advance to the mythic half price...

Arjuna's Bow: Archers more attack.

Yudishtira's wisdom: Maharaja more HP.

Bhima's strength: Mace people more attack.

2 more... i'll add them another time.

Radha = first devotee + friend (not wife, like everyone says)

Vayu, deva of wind

myth unit == ape man (name?)

research/gp: Son of Vayu (to similar to SoO?)
research - ape man more attack/HP/armor/cheaper
GP - makes ape man into Hanuman, more powerful

(back to the later minor gods)

Rama, god of (?) just another god, also important

God Power: Magic Arrows - archers do double(or just more)
another GP: (name?) - a building that launches a siege arrow to the nearest enemy building/normal arrow to unit

MU: (possibly ape man, but then what about Vayu?)

Research Focus: archers
Research: Magic Arrows (if not GP) archers more damage
Research: Devotion - myth units/heroes more attack/HP/armor

Ganesha, son of Shiva, elephant headed god u often see

GP: dunno
MU: possibly an elephant
Research: maybe think of something later...I'll post the story later, it may spark ideas...

Devi, supreme goddess/divine mother

no idea...i already said all i know about her...

I'm finally done!!! So... any more ideas?
Anyone agree that hinduism is good?

posted 04-14-03 02:49 AM EDT (US)     1 / 15       
Sounds good to me.

[This message has been edited by Penacle (edited 04-14-2003 @ 04:27 AM).]

posted 04-14-03 04:11 AM EDT (US)     2 / 15       
Very bad idea.
You know how many hindus still inhabit this world. You've heard of Kumar Shah for one, I beleive?(Kumar, aren't you a Hindu?).
Heard that nit go on about naked multi-limbed units?
Think of the religious consequences and hurt sentiments.
It's nice to speculate but you will never see a hindu civilization in any of ES's games.
posted 04-14-03 04:22 AM EDT (US)     3 / 15       
I would think ancient and modern hinduism vary in different ways, and cannot see why putting a culture such as this in a game would offend people of the religeon? Aslong as the game doesn't falsly portray or represent the hindu culture, what would be wrong with implementing the religeon into a game?

Aren't some Wiccan/druidism believes shared with ancient norse?

[This message has been edited by Penacle (edited 04-14-2003 @ 04:29 AM).]

posted 04-14-03 05:05 AM EDT (US)     4 / 15       
i am a hindu and i would feel insulted if i see out as an xp..however...a civilisation based on Hindu mythology..without diretc reference to the gods will be awesome

"Zodiac, zodiac he's our man, if he cant do it no-one can.."

The Fenris Wolf
posted 04-14-03 05:29 AM EDT (US)     5 / 15       
Ensemble Studios won't include a religion/mythology that is currently practised.
posted 04-14-03 06:33 AM EDT (US)     6 / 15       
The Hellenic language still exists. The Hellenic names are in the game and also we hear Hellenic voices so tell me why ES won't include Hindu.

The horn of Hel Hammerhand shall sound in the deep. One last time... Great deeds awake!!! Now for wrath, now for ruin and the Red dawn!!! Forth Eolingas!!!
Seqenenre Tao
posted 04-14-03 04:45 PM EDT (US)     7 / 15       


The Hellenic language still exists. The Hellenic names are in the game and also we hear Hellenic voices so tell me why ES won't include Hindu.

Hellenic = Greek. Modern Greece is mostly Christian, with some Jews and Muslims here and there. Thats why. Whereas Hinduism is a religion praciticed by many people. Some may not care if its included, and some might even like it. But I think many would be insulted and perhaps give ES a lawsuit.

Also don't confuse Hindu as in the religion with Hindi the language.


How'd you feel if you were a religious Christian and had your 12 Apostle hero units get slaughtered by a 2 battalions of Egyptian Spearmen and Slingers?

Hey, here is an idea, lets add Islamic religion into the game were you can have several Colossi and Petrobolos level Mecca and see whether or not the Ensemble Studios building gets car bombed by angry religious fundamentalists.

ES can get away with putting figures from dead or very small religions, but the big 5 religions of the world (Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Judaism) would provoke some reactions from the members of those religions.

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Mabuhay ang Maharlika!
posted 04-14-03 05:33 PM EDT (US)     8 / 15       
TO Seqenenre Tao:

Are you sayin Hebrew isn't a big religon?

Do not try to stand, for I will knock you back down.
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Seqenenre Tao
posted 04-14-03 06:29 PM EDT (US)     9 / 15       
Do you know what Judaism is? The followers of Judaism are called JEWS and they speak the language called HEBREW or "Ivret".

FYI, my X-girlfriend is Jewish and Israeli. So don't assume that I know nothing of it.

~}Kataastaas, Kagalang-galang ng Katipunan ng mga Anak ng Bayan{~
(The High, Honorable Society of the Sons of the People)
Mabuhay ang Maharlika!
The Fenris Wolf
posted 04-14-03 09:35 PM EDT (US)     10 / 15       


The Hellenic language still exists. The Hellenic names are in the game and also we hear Hellenic voices so tell me why ES won't include Hindu.

IT's not the language, it's the religion, get it?

or else AOK would have been outlawed...

Seraph in Absentia
(id: One_Dead_Villy)
posted 04-15-03 07:03 PM EDT (US)     11 / 15       
Well its a moot point anyways this thread

but i think in Hindu culture...or others like Chinese that has religions that are still somewhat linked the mythology. It could still work because they make movies, and fantasy stories about these figures. and not all of these figures are still worshiped and are acknowledged as myth.

But what about Aztec? They certainly would be a save civ to do.

posted 04-15-03 08:38 PM EDT (US)     12 / 15       
It angers me when creativity is impeded by people getting offended. When you don't INTEND to offend, people getting upset at you for your choice of subject matter is rather disturbing.

all things considered, life is pretty great
Seqenenre Tao
posted 04-15-03 09:51 PM EDT (US)     13 / 15       
Last I heard the Chinese practiced the govt sanctioned Atheism. They also follow Buddhism, Taoism, Christianity, Islam, and the good ole Ancestor Worship and some other faiths.

The ancient Chinese however did have gods. But tiny percentages of people follow that older faith. Funny thing is the Chinese would most likely be disappointed of not having their culture being represented in a game as so many other games have done.


If the Chinese people, culture and civilization angers some idiotic racists in the forums (and believe me there are), I'd advise them to not post replies to anyone who posts something about other Xpack civs regarding the Chinese, or any discussion relating to China or other Asian countries.

~}Kataastaas, Kagalang-galang ng Katipunan ng mga Anak ng Bayan{~
(The High, Honorable Society of the Sons of the People)
Mabuhay ang Maharlika!

[This message has been edited by Seqenenre Tao (edited 04-15-2003 @ 09:55 PM).]

posted 04-17-03 09:04 PM EDT (US)     14 / 15       
What would be the legal basis for a lawsuit against ES if they included a modern religion?
Seqenenre Tao
posted 04-18-03 02:43 PM EDT (US)     15 / 15       
Cultural theft? Even Lego was sued when they used Polynesian names for some of their toy characters. Those Bionicle characters have names like Onua, Pohatu and etc.

But religion is something far deeper than culture to a lot of people. Its like involving racial issues into something as trivial as a 3D strategy game.

How would you feel if the game's factions was made up of Blacks vs Whites vs Latinos and the Xpack race was Asians?
If it seems offensive and retarded to create such a game, then so it would be to create a game involving big modern religions like Hinduism.

~}Kataastaas, Kagalang-galang ng Katipunan ng mga Anak ng Bayan{~
(The High, Honorable Society of the Sons of the People)
Mabuhay ang Maharlika!

[This message has been edited by Seqenenre Tao (edited 04-18-2003 @ 02:51 PM).]

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