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Fili
Skirmisher
posted 05-26-05 07:27 AM EDT (US)         
It's an important thing for me since I am going to buy a new graphic card. Is AOE3 optimized for the current Nvida generation(6xxx) or will it be optimized for the next generation (GeForce 7??)?(since I read a post in the aoe3question forum, which was made by an es employee, that said that developers use the unreleased generation of graphic cards to develop their game.)
Anyone got a clue? Since if the game is made using a GeForce 7 or something, it's pointless to spend money on the GeForce 6800 GT I wanted to buy.
Any thoughts?
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Dutch Navyseal
Skirmisher
posted 05-26-05 08:37 AM EDT (US)     1 / 93       
The Geforce 7 will have some new features which make shader 3.0 games like AoE3 much faster. The Geforce 7 (I don't know which model) will have 24 pixel pipelines (16 on geforce 6800 GT and Ultra) and 8 vertex shaders (were 6 on GeForce 6800 GT and Ultra). The GeForce 7 (probably the most expensive version) will be 50% faster then the Geforce 6800 Ultra, will have better Anti Aliasing and Anisotropic Filtering and will be much faster then current high-end cards when High-Dynamic-Range Lighting on.

Since AoE 3 is coming by the end of this year just wait a couple of months till the first benchmarks come out. Then you'll be able to make a good comparison between the Geforce 6 and 7.

The article I got this info from is in dutch but you'll understand the technical language which is in English.
http://www.tweakers.net/nieuws/37455

[This message has been edited by Dutch Navyseal (edited 05-26-2005 @ 08:38 AM).]

Fili
Skirmisher
posted 05-27-05 06:11 AM EDT (US)     2 / 93       
Thanks, I'll look into that, but you didn't answer my question, is AOE3 made using a graphic card of nVidia's?
Spacemonk
Skirmisher
posted 05-27-05 06:13 AM EDT (US)     3 / 93       
probably, cause they use shader 3.0 stuff and at this time ati doesn't have that on their current cards. It doesn't prove it's 'the way it's meant to be played' but anyway why would it matter?
Brtnboarder495
Skirmisher
posted 05-27-05 07:27 AM EDT (US)     4 / 93       
Yea, the 6800, 6600, and 6200 should be fine. A 6600 128 mb 128 bit card should suffice. Make sure you pack in 1 gig of memory too. I have a link to a 6600 128 mb 3.0 Pixel shader, vertex shader, and some other shader.

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achilleas
Skirmisher
posted 05-27-05 07:31 AM EDT (US)     5 / 93       
I remember once an ES programmer sad that they use 9800pro on most of thier PCs at the studio.

God, Graphic cards evolve so damn fast, u need to upgrade each year if u wanna have the top..

Anw i hope an 6600gt or 6800gt will last until i buy new pc :P

AoMPlayer000
Banned
posted 05-27-05 07:38 AM EDT (US)     6 / 93       
Actually who cares... The graphics will still be amazing on your old PC, the Pixelshaders or whatever are definitely not worth 200$.
Innovan
Skirmisher
posted 05-27-05 09:14 AM EDT (US)     7 / 93       
I have to agree with http://www.sharkyextreme.com

It's better to just buy a new $1000 system every 18 months. Especially since things like displays carry over, so when you buy their $1000 system there's still things you can carry over from your last system and drive the cost down even lower.

Steel_Cat
Skirmisher
posted 05-27-05 01:51 PM EDT (US)     8 / 93       
fili The game is not "optimized" for nVidia cards, in fact, Ensemble Studios uses mostly ATI cards. The whole "play the game the way it was meant to be played" is a clever marketing scheme from nVidia.

If I were to recommend a card to you, I would recommend an nVidia because they currently include some features which ATI cards do not (like the pixel shader 3.0).


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Cataphracto
Skirmisher
posted 05-27-05 01:55 PM EDT (US)     9 / 93       
anyone knows how Geforce 6200 will perform with AOEIII?

I have the AGP version of this card.

It supports the shader model 3.0 but it's the slowest card that supports it.

AnC_Ivo17
Skirmisher
posted 05-27-05 02:10 PM EDT (US)     10 / 93       
I'd like to ask my question: Is GF6800gt better than ATIX850XT and ATIX800XL?

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Fili
Skirmisher
posted 05-27-05 03:21 PM EDT (US)     11 / 93       
I intended to buy a GeForce 6800GT and I was wondering if it might play the game at highest grapchic options. (I currently also have 1.250GB of RAM, planning to get 2000 and an Intel Pentium 4-2800Ghz) But is it worth getting, since I want it especially for AOE3 and The Sims2...
Spacemonk
Skirmisher
posted 05-27-05 03:34 PM EDT (US)     12 / 93       
you don't need the extra ram, but the graphics card should be fine I think. I don't know what you have at this time. If it is something good maybe it's better to wait for the geforce 7, but it's just how long do you wanna wait?

I've got a ati 9600XT myself, and since my pc is about 3 years old (I replaced the graphics card once) I'm thinking of buying a new one, but I might wait for the geforce 7, cause I want to have the best , not like I just bought a geforce 6xxx and they bring out a new better cooler card. It depends on when they're gonna release the new card, cause I don't wanna wait another year....

deduijk
Skirmisher
posted 05-27-05 04:11 PM EDT (US)     13 / 93       
In an interview deathshrimp said they worked with the people at nvidea to include features current cards don't have yet.

That being said.., You should check your GG memory also.

To play it full featured at high res (1280x etc) i intend to think ur better off with the 256MB cards (even if it is a slightly slower one than a 128MB card u wanted to buy.

256 is slowyl becoming standard anyway.. in a few moments (... weeks/moths) 128Mb cards could b as expensive as a 256Mb one.

@achi...
every year??! Try like every month. When walking out of the store with your brand new top-off-the-line computer before you're outside it is 'obsolete' alrdy.


CU,
deduijk

schildpad
Skirmisher
posted 05-27-05 04:36 PM EDT (US)     14 / 93       
i dont think 128 is not enough. a x700 with 64 mb can probably handle it at good quality
xidion
Skirmisher
posted 05-27-05 04:52 PM EDT (US)     15 / 93       
256 coming standard? Nvidias new SLI cards have 512MB on them how can 256 be standard if they are coming out with 512MB cards that wouldnt be smart.
Alexandergreat3
Skirmisher
posted 05-27-05 04:53 PM EDT (US)     16 / 93       

Quoted from AnC_Ivo17:

I'd like to ask my question: Is GF6800gt better than ATIX850XT and ATIX800XL?

From this article, using FarCry as the benchmark: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2102&p=5


(without Anti Aliasing)


(with Anti Aliasing)

ATI cards have better performance.

xidion
Skirmisher
posted 05-27-05 04:56 PM EDT (US)     17 / 93       
Compare it to SLI cards and Nvidia owns.
Brtnboarder495
Skirmisher
posted 05-27-05 04:58 PM EDT (US)     18 / 93       
I am 90% sure that the Nvidia generation 6 set is compatible with AoE3.

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Rookierookie
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posted 05-27-05 08:54 PM EDT (US)     19 / 93       

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If I were to recommend a card to you, I would recommend an nVidia because they currently include some features which ATI cards do not (like the pixel shader 3.0).


I'd rather have the extra frame rate than to have the extra eye candy that nobody sees.

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I'd like to ask my question: Is GF6800gt better than ATIX850XT and ATIX800XL?


Better (slightly) than the X800XL, but slower than the X850XT.

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(I currently also have 1.250GB of RAM, planning to get 2000 and an Intel Pentium 4-2800Ghz


Wow, 2000GB RAM and 2800GHz computer...are you planning to break the record for fastest supercomputer?

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To play it full featured at high res (1280x etc) i intend to think ur better off with the 256MB cards (even if it is a slightly slower one than a 128MB card u wanted to buy.

256 is slowyl becoming standard anyway.. in a few moments (... weeks/moths) 128Mb cards could b as expensive as a 256Mb one.


I would take a 128MB Geforce 6800 over a 256MB Geforce 5200 any day.

The amount of memory is the LAST thing you should check when buying a graphics card.

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i dont think 128 is not enough. a x700 with 64 mb can probably handle it at good quality


There are NO X700s with 64MB.

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256 coming standard? Nvidias new SLI cards have 512MB on them how can 256 be standard if they are coming out with 512MB cards that wouldnt be smart.


Speed difference between 512MB Geforce 6800 Ultra and 256MB Geforce 6800 Ultra - <10%
Cost difference between 512MB Geforce 6800 Ultra and 256MB Geforce 6800 Ultra - 100%

Speed difference between 512MB Radeon X800XL and 256MB Radeon X800XL - 0%
Cost difference between 512MB Radeon X800XL and 256MB Radeon X800XL - 100%

Why would anyone spend double money on a card that is no faster?

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Compare it to SLI cards and Nvidia owns.


ATI CrossFire > Nvidia SLI

And the X850XT PE can outperform SLI systems on 1600x1200 resolution with max AA and AF.

Ceres629
Skirmisher
posted 05-28-05 06:26 AM EDT (US)     20 / 93       
It is worth upgrading depending on what hardware you currently have now. If you have a 9800pro and your only reason for upgrading is to play AOE3 then I don't see the point getting a geforce 6xxx series card. The 9800pro will do the job.

If you have a really old card (eg in my case a geforce 3) then an upgrade is in order. I recently upgraded to a 6600GT for CS: source and AOE3 to run smoothly though in CS:source i am now CPU limited at any resolution, a testiment to how good a card the 6600GT is. (2.53ghz p4)

Judging a card by the amount of video ram it hass is a very silly thing to do by the way. Vendors who slap huge amount of (usually slow) Ram on a crappy card are out to trick these very people. A geforce 6600GT with 128mb ram will totally outperform a plain 6600 with 256 ram, hell even a 9800pro with 128mb ram is better than a plain 6600. If you want a good card, take a look at benchmarks, spend the time to learn a bit about the cards themselves and what the features mean. Sure you may feel geeky, but you will save yourself some cash in the long run and get better performance.

The extra ram only helps at higher resolutions and for enabling anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering but on a crap card the game is unplayable at those resolutions anyway so there is no point. And even then the 128mb card most likely wins. The 6600 GT can easily handle 6xAA and 16xAF on 1280x1024 in counter strike source, so AOE3 should be a breeze.

If you are are on a budget, then your best bet would be to go with decent 128mb card. If you have AGP then I would have to recommend the 9800pro or 6600GT, solid cards that guarantee at least another year or two of solid gaming tho.

@thread starter
I would say its best to just get the 6800GT now or even better at the time of release of AOE3 and save your self a bit of cash. AOE3 is being optimized for current hardware and although newer series will have all the features of the previous there is no point in waiting for it, since i doubt aoe3 will implement any of the new features in the geforce 7 series whatever those may be.

my 2 cents

[This message has been edited by Ceres629 (edited 05-28-2005 @ 06:31 AM).]

Spacemonk
Skirmisher
posted 05-28-05 06:53 AM EDT (US)     21 / 93       

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since i doubt aoe3 will implement any of the new features in the geforce 7 series whatever those may be.

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In an interview deathshrimp said they worked with the people at nvidea to include features current cards don't have yet.

so AoE3 will probably have some features that are new for the geforce 7 series, cause they've impleted those with in cooperation with nvidia. that's why I'm probably gonna wait, also because the geforce 7 will have better performance then the 6 series. But I'll be on the lookout on what ati is bringing, cause if they bring out some new cards with shader 3.0 and better performance then the nvidia ones I'm gonna buy an ati card.

Fili
Skirmisher
posted 05-28-05 07:38 AM EDT (US)     22 / 93       
nVIDIA had better make a better card than ATi this time, with better performance. I hate it that nVIDIA always looses the tests to ATi only because they released their specs earlier and ATi improved them. nVIDIA, be PATIENT and WORK BETTER!! Anyway, i understand that the game will work smoother and with more "bells and whistles" on nVIDIA cards, so that's what I'm getting (If they make a decent driver--the latest forceware driver, made my GeForce 440 MX crash when playing Battle for Middle Earth...)
deduijk
Skirmisher
posted 05-28-05 07:39 AM EDT (US)     23 / 93       
you should be wary of the new cheaper 'gaming' cards; they have less memory on board. But they are still sold as having 128/256 etc. tubocache (Nvidea) or Hypermemory (ATI). In reality this means they have a very little amount real memory on the card 32MB, 64MB or 128MB and borrow the rest from your real memory to come to the number that is given.

Like theATI Radeon X300SE: 128MB hypermemory, while in fact the card only has 32MB on board.
Or the nVidea GeForce 6200 16-TC 128, which has only 16MB of real mem.

CU,
deduijk

tw0 str0ke
Skirmisher
posted 05-28-05 07:43 AM EDT (US)     24 / 93       
Didnt ES say a system running AOM fast would most likly run aoe3 fine.

I got a FX5600 and im not worried...


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Fili
Skirmisher
posted 05-28-05 07:44 AM EDT (US)     25 / 93       
I see your point, but I suppose a PCI-e port is needed for that turbo-cache right? Anyway, my system's memory is more than enough to let the graphic card borrow how much it wants... But I want a high-end card anyway, and am willing to spend more money.
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