I have been a reader on this forum and the AoK-AoE ones.I have found that there is an enourmes amount of resentment agianst players that use turtling.So I have come up with a new tactic I call the snaping turtle tactic.Need I remind you that the Roman Empire lasted a long time becuse it fortified its city's and also created much infrastruccture to support it.A good player should not nesacarily go nonstop,full speed ahead,rushing to make the largest army on the map and using a completly offensive tactic. Many scennarios I have played I have maneged to win by making an army that has many fortified pionts that can wear down the attackers,or deafeat them.Also,to those turtlers that produce no army and never scout or leave thier base,you are not turtling.A snaping turtle has a poweerful defense and a good offense.Do'nt use youre population stlots for only an army.By making a good economy,fuly upgraded towers,walls,castles,and other defences able to hold agianst an army.In adition to that,a fully upgraded and specilty army with much support can win aganst a lager foe.