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brianc0220
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posted 10-10-05 12:44 PM EDT (US)         
there is a type of mercenary in aoeIII called Manchu, which is a mounted archer from China. However, since when did the Chinese come to the new world?(except the railroad workers) isnt it a little bit redicuious
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Maffia
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posted 10-10-05 12:45 PM EDT (US)     1 / 27       
I believe the term is artistic lisence.

Also Gamplay > Reality.

Also there are many other nations in the game that never made it to america, for exaple the otoomans never made it to america, however are in the game as a playable civ, nd there are japanese mecinarys, and i dont think they made it to the new world either.


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brianc0220
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posted 10-10-05 12:55 PM EDT (US)     2 / 27       
i smell an expansion pack with europeans conquering asian civilizations
Heron
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posted 10-10-05 01:01 PM EDT (US)     3 / 27       
Actually there were a lot more Chinese in America than you might think. There were the railroad workers and, and many of the people hunting for gold in the west were Chinese immigrants, although this is true that they never had any significant military power in the new world.

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brianc0220
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posted 10-10-05 01:04 PM EDT (US)     4 / 27       
yea but i never saw a group of Manchus attacking an european settlements in the New World, nor did i read anything about hiring Chinese to fight in America
Vortexian
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posted 10-10-05 01:05 PM EDT (US)     5 / 27       

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i smell an expansion pack with europeans conquering asian civilizations


I smell an expansion pack with asian civs fighting back!

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brianc0220
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posted 10-10-05 01:08 PM EDT (US)     6 / 27       
um...you know how the chinese got pwned by the brits in opium war? totally owned there
Steel_Cat
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posted 10-10-05 01:27 PM EDT (US)     7 / 27       
It's been speculated that the Chinese were in the new world before Europe, although I doubt this.

There was a KQED show on the topic, which covered the voyages of one dynasty which led Chinese sailors to Africa and back.

A national Geographic article covered this as well. Chinese ships were literally circumnavigating the worl 1000yrs before anyone else.


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WH_demoneyekyo
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posted 10-10-05 01:32 PM EDT (US)     8 / 27       
brianc, u seem a bit racist.

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i smell an expansion pack with europeans conquering asian civilizations

I think u got that around. just look at the major power today. is already obvious china is already the superpower.

no offense, but the way u guy handle katrina & Iraq, kinda give us a sense of how strong the US truely is.


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brianc0220
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posted 10-10-05 01:40 PM EDT (US)     9 / 27       
sry WH_demoneyekyo, but i am chinese
i am just telling the truth tho, on how the chinese got own by the brits in the opium war, and how europeans pwning other civilizations in the east. i didnt say the Asians cant fight back, i am also hoping u can actually use the Asian civ to counter the Europeans. anywayz, the expansion pack takes place in Asia will be good considering the huge gaming market in Asia right now

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Obi_Kwiet
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posted 10-10-05 01:58 PM EDT (US)     10 / 27       

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brianc, u seem a bit racist.

What, someone's racist when they quote a battle where non-white people loose? That's just sad.
Devon_
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posted 10-10-05 02:03 PM EDT (US)     11 / 27       
An expansion featuring the west pwning the east would be awesome.

About Manchu archers: AoE3 is all about "what-ifs", what if China opened it's doors or got more politically involved in north America, what if the ottomans wanted to come to the new world?

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posted 10-10-05 02:06 PM EDT (US)     12 / 27       

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However, since when did the Chinese come to the new world?(except the railroad workers) isnt it a little bit redicuious


They came here in 1421. Actually, between 1421 and 1423, the treasure fleets traveled almost everywhere on earth, except for Antartica. Ever wonder why Asiatic horses and chickens were all across North and South America before Europeans ever thought of coming here? And where did Columbus et. al. get their maps? Yep, from China. They didn't discover anything, they were following Chinese maps.

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frhyme
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posted 10-10-05 02:19 PM EDT (US)     13 / 27       
Chinese are mighty nationalists :/

And will the expansion have Chinese as civ? Unfortunately they were not great power. They were side exploited if anything. I would say the expansion will have new civs as Sweden, Austria, Italia, and Japan =D

Stephan Hill
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posted 10-10-05 02:20 PM EDT (US)     14 / 27       
Only the Ottomans will get that merc, and the Ottomans aren't going to come to the New World either.
Insane Sheep
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posted 10-10-05 02:21 PM EDT (US)     15 / 27       
The Russians kicked the Mongolians arses back to their steppes a couple of times. There were also a bunch of wars against the Chinese in the late 1800's. That would be an interesting dimension in the Expansion pack.

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oldboy ere
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posted 10-10-05 02:57 PM EDT (US)     16 / 27       

Quoted from Obi_Kwiet:

What, someone's racist when they quote a battle where non-white people loose? That's just sad.

Thankyou!

i would class the ridiculous as something supernatural, for example say some sort of purple flying aquatic mammal. I mean its easily plausable even if it didnt happen and its interesting to see what it would be like to have the chinese or ottomans in america

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Mikaiu_UK
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posted 10-10-05 03:28 PM EDT (US)     17 / 27       
Brian is right, the Chinese were involved in the new world, and he's right about the opium war, the Chinese met defeat, and the British met dishonour, at attacking another nation over such a petty reason, and purely so they could get investments in tea. The British politions at the time were outraged. But as a result the Chinese Emperor at the time became a hero, and is still considered one by the Chinese to this day.
CK the Fat
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posted 10-10-05 04:57 PM EDT (US)     18 / 27       
China was only start to break down its isolationist policies and open its doors to trade at this time. Having them as their own nation could be interesting... certainly they'd be a great late-gamer with larger-sized armies with better melee than European ones.

Also, Chinese immigration was big at this time as well... ever heard of the Chinese mining communities in the American west?

ichol
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posted 10-10-05 08:37 PM EDT (US)     19 / 27       

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I think u got that around. just look at the major power today. is already obvious china is already the superpower.

no offense, but the way u guy handle katrina & Iraq, kinda give us a sense of how strong the US truely is.

Wow and the way you phrased that gives us a sense of how weak your knowledge is.

XxEmperorxX
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posted 10-10-05 09:11 PM EDT (US)     20 / 27       
ROFLLZZZ china a super power.....lol

Thats why they have over 1 billion people in thier contry and cant even afford them all...they kill children because there is a limit to number of children around....real superpowers those bunny like chinese.

O and communism tells you anything. Communism with superpower in the same sentence is just plain stupidity.


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posted 10-10-05 09:23 PM EDT (US)     21 / 27       
really? The term superpower originated from the cold war and it was used as a term describing electrics prior to that. So according to your logic, there was 1 superpower in the cold war.

The One child policy is largely ignored in the rural areas and the government doesnt kill any children. Extra children are simply unapplicable for government benefits like free education and cost more to their parents. This is of course beneficial in farming communities because more hands=more work.

Are you kidding me or have you lived under a rock? China's economy is the FASTEST growing of any major country, that and it being the largest country in population makes China a very likely Superpower. Chinas military is also growing and becoming advanced.

wikipedia defines superpower as:. "In modern terms, this may imply an entity with a huge economy, a large population, and strong armed forces, including air and space power and a considerable arsenal of weapons of mass destruction."

hmm...check, check, check, check, and check


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Steel_Cat
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posted 10-10-05 09:31 PM EDT (US)     22 / 27       
I think this thread should be moved to a more political forum (one not on a gaming site).

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EliteNemesis
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posted 10-10-05 09:32 PM EDT (US)     23 / 27       
i am in no way a communist, but if communism is implemented correctly, and not in poor examples like the soviets, china, or cuba, then it could possibly work as a system of government and society.

anyways, as many other people have said, gameplay>realism. and why didnt u see the other things that clearly were not in mass in the Americas in the time period?

nice dictator
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posted 10-10-05 09:34 PM EDT (US)     24 / 27       
its a perfect system on paper but has never been applied correctly yes

"O! ye that love mankind!Ye that dare oppose not only tyranny but the tyrant, stand forth! Every spot of the Old World is overrun with oppression. Freedom hath been hunted round the globe. Asia and Africa have long expelled her. Europe regards her like a stranger and England hath given her warning to depart. O! receive the fugitive and
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kook
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posted 10-10-05 09:55 PM EDT (US)     25 / 27       
They are MERCENARIES, They are SHIPPED over. Sorry if I sound rude, jsut trying to get hte point across
Devon_
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posted 10-10-05 10:34 PM EDT (US)     26 / 27       
We've gone from speculating that china reached the new world to acting like some of you are submitting essays to be the next Chinese propaganda minister.

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Aro
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posted 10-10-05 11:14 PM EDT (US)     27 / 27       
Hopefully some of the replies in here answered your question -- it's all "what-if", just like the Ottomans taking interest in the new world and Prussia (Germany) taking part in government-supported colonization.

Since this has evolved into a flaming political debate, which doesn't belong here, I'm closing these. Feel free to continue any political debates in HG Main's Library.

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