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Topic Subject:Unit counter sheet, i created one, check it out
Luckykills
Skirmisher
posted 11-25-05 02:20 AM EDT (US)         
hey guys, i created a unit counter sheet, and as far as i am aware it features every unit and every unit that you should use against that unit.

please tell me if something is wrong or should be added. Much appreciated.

UNITWHAT COUNTERS IT
ABUS GUN Cossack, Cuirassier, Culverin, Hussar, Spahi, Uhlan

BUILDINGSAbus Gun, Doppelsoldner, Falconet, Great Bombard, Grenadier, Halberdier, Heavy Cannon, Janissary, Mortar, Musketeer, Oprichnik, Organ Gun, Pikeman, Rocket, Rodelero

CALVARY ARCHERCassador, Crossbowman, Doppelsoldner, Halberdier, Janissary, Longbowman, Musketeer, Pikeman, Rodelero, Skirmisher, Strelet

CASSADOR Hussar, Cuirassier, Cossack, Uhlan, Lancer, Spahi, Grenadier, Falconet, Heavy Cannon, Rocket, Great Bombard, Abus Gun, Organ Gun, Lancer

COSSACKPikeman, Halberdier, Musketeer, Janissary, Doppelsoldner, Rodelero, Dragoon, Calvary Archer, Ruyter, War Wagon

CROSSBOWMANHussar, Cuirassier, Cossack, Uhlan, Lancer, Spahi, Grenadier, Falconet, Heavy Cannon, Rocket, Great Bombard, Abus Gun, Organ Gun, Lancer

CUIRASSIERPikeman, Halberdier, Musketeer, Janissary, Doppelsoldner, Rodelero, Dragoon, Calvary Archer, Ruyter, War Wagon

CULVERINHussar, Cuirassier, Cossack, Uhlan, Spahi

DOPPELSOLDNERCrossbowman, Skirmisher, Longbowman, Strelet, Cassador, Grenadier, Falconet, Heavy Cannon, Rocket, Great Bombard, Abus Gun, Organ Gun, Lancer

DRAGOONPikeman, Halberdier, Musketeer, Janissary, Doppelsoldner, Rodelero, Crossbowman, Skirmisher, Longbowman, Strelet, Cassador

FALCONETCossack, Cuirassier, Culverin, Hussar, Spahi, Uhlan

GREAT BOMBARDCossack, Cuirassier, Culverin, Hussar, Spahi, Uhlan

GRENADIERCossack, Cuirassier, Culverin, Hussar, Spahi, Uhlan

HALBERDIERCrossbowman, Skirmisher, Longbowman, Strelet, Cassador, Grenadier, Falconet, Heavy Cannon, Rocket, Great Bombard, Abus Gun, Organ Gun, Lancer

HEAVY CANNONCossack, Cuirassier, Culverin, Hussar, Spahi, Uhlan

HUSSARPikeman, Halberdier, Musketeer, Janissary, Doppelsoldner, Rodelero, Dragoon, Calvary Archer, Ruyter, War Wagon

JANISSARYCrossbowman, Skirmisher, Longbowman, Strelet, Cassador, Grenadier, Falconet, Heavy Cannon, Rocket, Great Bombard, Abus Gun, Organ Gun, Lancer

LANCERPikeman, Halberdier, Musketeer, Janissary, Doppelsoldner, Rodelero, Dragoon, Calvary Archer, Ruyter, War Wagon

LONGBOWMANHussar, Cuirassier, Cossack, Uhlan, Lancer, Spahi, Grenadier, Falconet, Heavy Cannon, Rocket, Great Bombard, Abus Gun, Organ Gun, Lancer

MORTARCossack, Cuirassier, Culverin, Hussar, Spahi, Uhlan

MUSKATEERCrossbowman, Skirmisher, Longbowman, Strelet, Cassador, Grenadier, Falconet, Heavy Cannon, Rocket, Great Bombard, Abus Gun, Organ Gun, Lancer

OPRICHNIKPikeman, Halberdier, Musketeer, Janissary, Doppelsoldner, Rodelero, Dragoon, Calvary Archer, Ruyter, War Wagon

ORGAN GUNCossack, Cuirassier, Culverin, Hussar, Spahi, Uhlan

PIKEMANCrossbowman, Skirmisher, Longbowman, Strelet, Cassador, Grenadier, Falconet, Heavy Cannon, Rocket, Great Bombard, Abus Gun, Organ Gun, Lancer

ROCKETCossack, Cuirassier, Culverin, Hussar, Spahi, Uhlan

RODELEROCrossbowman, Skirmisher, Longbowman, Strelet, Cassador, Grenadier, Falconet, Heavy Cannon, Rocket, Great Bombard, Abus Gun, Organ Gun, Lancer

RUYTERPikeman, Halberdier, Musketeer, Janissary, Doppelsoldner, Rodelero, Crossbowman, Skirmisher, Longbowman, Strelet, Cassador

SKIRMISHERHussar, Cuirassier, Cossack, Uhlan, Lancer, Spahi, Grenadier, Falconet, Heavy Cannon, Rocket, Great Bombard, Abus Gun, Organ Gun, Lancer

SPAHIPikeman, Halberdier, Musketeer, Janissary, Doppelsoldner, Rodelero, Dragoon, Calvary Archer, Ruyter, War Wagon

STRELETHussar, Cuirassier, Cossack, Uhlan, Lancer, Spahi, Grenadier, Falconet, Heavy Cannon, Rocket, Great Bombard, Abus Gun, Organ Gun, Lancer

UHLANPikeman, Halberdier, Musketeer, Janissary, Doppelsoldner, Rodelero, Dragoon, Calvary Archer, Ruyter, War Wagon

WAR WAGONPikeman, Halberdier, Musketeer, Janissary, Doppelsoldner, Rodelero, Crossbowman, Skirmisher, Longbowman, Strelet, Cassador

AuthorReplies:
akin
Skirmisher
posted 11-25-05 03:11 AM EDT (US)     1 / 14       
Strelet does not counter jannisaries..

Keep on the sunny side of life
ESO:Akin
Cy Marlayne
Skirmisher
posted 11-25-05 03:51 AM EDT (US)     2 / 14       

Quote:

Strelet does not counter jannisaries..

Not one on one, but in masses, Strelets own Jannies because Strelets almost always outnumber them, and since Strelets are produced in masses, they are great for going against them.

[This message has been edited by Cy Marlayne (edited 11-25-2005 @ 03:52 AM).]

akin
Skirmisher
posted 11-25-05 06:23 AM EDT (US)     3 / 14       
Well, this sheet does not cover the option of melee. When given equal amount of money, jans in melee mode should be able to kill all strelets and then some.
I had a game against a russian guy and I spent my card on hot air ballon (no jans from the card). I produced jans and abus guns, and he just could not stop me with anything...

Keep on the sunny side of life
ESO:Akin
johnn
Skirmisher
posted 11-25-05 06:39 AM EDT (US)     4 / 14       
Strelets counter Janissaries. In melee mode Strelets do the same damage as in ranged mode (half the attack, twice the rate of fire), while Janissaries do more damage in melee mode. But with a little micro the Janissaries will use all their time walking, so you can own them even more.

However, Culverines don't counter abus guns. The only way to counter abus is with cavalry, which usually gets owned by the nearby Janissaries. Grenadiers seem to help a bit against abus to, but not great.

[This message has been edited by johnn (edited 11-25-2005 @ 06:39 AM).]

Luckykills
Skirmisher
posted 11-25-05 12:19 PM EDT (US)     5 / 14       
alright thanks for all t he input.

ill make those changes immediately and if u want me to repost it or something, i will.

can u educate me more on the melee modes and stuff?

majpain
Skirmisher
posted 11-25-05 12:48 PM EDT (US)     6 / 14       
Cy Marlayne
Skirmisher
posted 11-25-05 12:50 PM EDT (US)     7 / 14       
Melee modes just change a range unit's attack from pierce damage to hack damage.

Let's say you're using Musketeers. Their ranged attack sucks against cavalry because cavalry have 75% protection against ranged attacks. Put the Musketeers in melee mode and the hack damage just tears the cavalry up because they don't have good hack defense, and besides, Musketeers have a bonus against them in melee.

You can set this mode for ANY ranged unit. The oddest ones are skirmishers, longbowmen, and cavalry archers, because you wouldn't expect them to do any better against artillery.

Don't put cavalry archers in melee mode against cavalry though their bonus against them is with their ranged attack. I would only use cavalry archers in melee if I didn't have any melee cavalry nearby and I wanted to help stop the enemy's cannons. It works, but you will probably lose all of your cavalry archers.

As French against an Ottoman player, I would use skirmishers in melee mode to take out his cannons. It's the funniest thing ever and it's all I could do until the cavalry arrived. Not only that, but it worked. The only bad thing is, you sacrifice a lot of men doing it.

Gold Rust
Skirmisher
posted 11-25-05 01:14 PM EDT (US)     8 / 14       
Grenadiers can be made to counter cavalry with an arsenal upgrade, then the only thing that can counter them is culvs.
Ceres629
Skirmisher
posted 11-25-05 02:21 PM EDT (US)     9 / 14       
Melee units don't counter dragoons or cavalry archers!
Sjonnie
Skirmisher
posted 11-25-05 03:31 PM EDT (US)     10 / 14       
anything counters a mortar.

"One day, my quotes will stand in signatures"
Sjonnie

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johnn
Skirmisher
posted 11-25-05 04:45 PM EDT (US)     11 / 14       

Quote:

Grenadiers can be made to counter cavalry with an arsenal upgrade, then the only thing that can counter them is culvs.

What upgrade is that? It has to be the advanced arsenal, because there was nothing in it withouth that HC shipment. Besides, culverines don't counter grenadiers.

Devon_
Skirmisher
(id: Lord Devon)
posted 11-25-05 08:26 PM EDT (US)     12 / 14       

Quote:

Not one on one, but in masses, Strelets own Jannies because Strelets almost always outnumber them, and since Strelets are produced in masses, they are great for going against them.

And as we saw last game, they're easily trampled en masse by Cuirrissars.


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Cy Marlayne
Skirmisher
posted 11-26-05 07:43 AM EDT (US)     13 / 14       
Well, the point is, Devon, that strelets are cheap compared to jannies, which is why they counter them effectively. Cuirassers in masses kill just about anything, but they cost a hell of a lot.
Bart12345
Skirmisher
posted 12-10-05 03:19 PM EDT (US)     14 / 14       
In the scenario editor, 2 falconets beat 7 abus guns without too much trouble.
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