I was just wondering....if they increase the power of hussars in the upcoming patch, will Germans be even more OP, since they have the winged hussars card that sends 12 of them and then changes subsequent shipments to send hussars instead of uhlans? Other people's thoughts on this? Granted, that is a late-game card.
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Braenn Skirmisher
posted 07-08-06 05:29 PM
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In 1.09 Germans will be nerf'ed And ES are expected to boost melee cav AI and reduce cost, not the stats
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The winged hussars card isn't really part of a typical German player's strategy. Their power really comes in their mercs.
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gazza89 Skirmisher
posted 07-08-06 07:40 PM
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its still incredibly OP, it should be like 7 winged hussars..but i dont think ES would dare make such a drastic change, so we just have to live with it
Alpha Fireborn Skirmisher
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posted 07-08-06 09:07 PM
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actually, its 8 hussars, remember germanies boost? free uhlans with each shipment? well, its age 4, and that means its 4 free horsies, and 12 - 4 = 8, so yea. its normal
and most people dont use this card
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xentelian Skirmisher
posted 07-08-06 10:12 PM
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Russia will be at the top if they simply nerf German. Cossack and Strelets are better than Hussar and Bows
They need to boost hussar stats or it will be another dissapointment for sure. I guess we will see.
actually, its 8 hussars, remember germanies boost? free uhlans with each shipment? well, its age 4, and that means its 4 free horsies, and 12 - 4 = 8, so yea. its normal
and most people dont use this card
That means 4 Free Uhlans - And 4 Hussars > 4 Uhlans. They also get the Guard upgrade, which costs the same as 4 Uhlans so it should be the same number as everyone: 8 Hussars.
But most people DO use this card <_<
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brandnizzle Skirmisher
posted 07-08-06 11:35 PM
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um, how does that card change subsequent shipments to hussars instead of uhlans, ive never heard that.
also its an age 4 card, so it wont really make them mroe OP if thye get a little bti mroe out of an already really good card.
Yobbo Skirmisher
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posted 07-09-06 00:19 AM
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i think the card is fine, and only seems so powerful because of germans OPness in other (earlier fortress to overcome you) areas, which imo is the main problem.
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KingSteve3721 Skirmisher
posted 07-09-06 00:41 AM
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its a unique card, so they should get an extra bonus, plus what walker said.
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Aoe3Wolverine Skirmisher
posted 07-09-06 01:04 AM
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4 Uhlans = 3 Hussars in resources. It's a 9 hussar card with 3 extra.
I'm waiting for the German nerf so i can finally start working on a FI with them...
KingSteve3721 Skirmisher
posted 07-09-06 11:34 AM
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yea but in the current state of the game, uhlan > hussar
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timbo1390 Skirmisher
posted 07-09-06 12:14 PM
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xentelian how will russia be at the top if they nurf germany. if only germany got nerfed, im pretty sure the 2nd best civ right now would be on top - the ports.
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Adam42 Skirmisher
posted 07-09-06 01:07 PM
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I don't mind so much the 12 hussars although I do think it should be 8 hussars+4 uhlans instead, seeing as germany's bonus isn't free units with every shipment.
My problem is with the guard status, which makes the hussars 50% better than normal ones. Why the hell should they get this for free?
IMO it should be 8 veteran hussars + 4 uhlans. Combined with the hussar boost in the next patch the card should be brought back down to earth.
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and most people dont use this card
ROFL. Every decent german player has this in 90% of their decks, and whenever they get to industrial they always use it.
I just believe instead of a nerf to Germans, a boost to hussar and grenadier with a price reduction, and a speed boost to halberdier might make things closer to equality. Boost to other civs than German basically.
rationale: hussar do not compare to cossack and uhlan in fighting ability or cost; something has to be improved there. It would help them dealing with strelets, crossbow/uhlan.
grenadiers do not compare to janissaries or musketeers (same reasons as above)
halberdier: speed boost - 4 is not enough to catch other infantry, never mind cavalry
These 3 units are basically the only ones that can be boosted (without a guilty conscience) as Germans get everything that affects the other civs, particularly in age 2. People might argue that hussar and gren boost would make Otto overpowered, but they already have abusgun that have more range and 2x siege damage than grens (who have 2x hp) kind of same stats, and those wicked spahi at fortress+ which would still be more desirable than hussar.
Those stats that swiftaero posted only confirm what I had suspected from last patch.
there maybe a lot of russian wins, but thats because the russian rush is spread to the masses, and many lower level players dont know how to beat it.
russian is still weak at higher level, near impossible to beat an equal skilled ottoman, german and port(when play with normal 5:30 rush or FF).
anyways, the 12 hussar shipment, i think its fine, i mean if they are all uhlans, and the german player did upgrade uhlans, then the effect is the same.
also these hussars are only good cos they are free, they dont really worth the cost - who actuall pays for them nowadays?