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Topic Subject:1v1 Stats for LtCol-Brig for Patch 1.02
Garlef
Skirmisher
posted 04-09-07 12:54 PM EDT (US)         
Ok... To make this a fully stats day
I have provided the results for Patch 1.02 in the LtCol-Brig level.

LtCol-Brig v LtCol-Brig
1v1 Supremacy
Patch 1.02 (excludes Mirror)
Civ Games Win % Usage%
Iroquois 3968 2426 61.14% 15.40%
Spanish 4633 2648 57.16% 17.99%
Ottoman 3342 1716 51.35% 12.97%
Dutch 2885 1411 48.91% 11.20%
Sioux 2108 1021 48.43% 8.18%
French 3800 1679 44.18% 14.75%
Russian 703 295 41.96% 2.73%
Aztec 1404 568 40.46% 5.45%
Portuguese 1262 496 39.30% 4.90%
British 1133 433 38.22% 4.40%
German 520 186 35.77% 2.02%
Total 25758 12879

And here is how each civ did:
Aztec
Aztec v British: 36 - 25
Aztec v Dutch: 66 - 92
Aztec v French: 104 - 124
Aztec v Germany: 15 - 11
Aztec v Iroquois: 56 - 119
Aztec v Ottoman: 72 - 97
Aztec v Ports: 35 - 31
Aztec v Russia: 15 - 17
Aztec v Sioux: 59 - 83
Aztec v Spain: 110 - 187

Brits
Brits v Aztec: 25 - 36
Brits v Dutch: 39 - 71
Brits v French: 80 - 124
Brits v Germany: 11 - 15
Brits v Iroquois: 54 - 110
Brits v Ottoman: 50 - 121
Brits v Ports: 30 - 20
Brits v Russia: 13 - 14
Brits v Sioux: 49 - 53
Brits v Spain: 82 - 136

Dutch
Dutch v Aztec: 92 - 65
Dutch v Brits: 71 - 39
Dutch v French: 275 - 233
Dutch v Germany: 24 - 30
Dutch v Iroquois: 208 - 317
Dutch v Ottoman: 207 - 204
Dutch v Ports: 100 - 53
Dutch v Russia: 38 - 46
Dutch v Sioux: 121 - 118
Dutch v Spain: 275 - 368

French
French v Aztec: 124 - 104
French v Brits: 124 - 80
French v Dutch: 233 - 275
French v Germany: 59 - 48
French v Iroquois: 230 - 435
French v Ottoman: 242 - 324
French v Ports: 134 - 117
French v Russia: 49 - 48
French v Sioux: 153 - 195
French v Spain: 331 - 495

Germany
Germany v Aztec: 11 - 15
Germany v Brits: 15 - 11
Germany v Dutch: 30 - 24
Germany v French: 48 - 59
Germany v Iroquois: 17 - 59
Germany v Ottoman: 18 - 48
Germany v Ports: 6 - 20
Germany v Russia: 10 - 7
Germany v Sioux: 20 - 29
Germany v Spain: 11 - 62

Iroquois
Iroquois v Aztec: 169 - 56
Iroquois v Brits: 110 - 54
Iroquois v Dutch: 317 - 208
Iroquois v French: 435 - 230
Iroquois v Germany: 59 - 17
Iroquois v Ottoman: 372 - 266
Iroquois v Ports: 127 - 52
Iroquois v Russia: 99 - 35
Iroquois v Sioux: 228 - 164
Iroquois v Spain: 510 - 460

Ottoman
Ottoman v Aztec: 97 - 72
Ottoman v Brits: 121 - 50
Ottoman v Dutch: 204 - 207
Ottoman v French: 324 - 242
Ottoman v Germany: 48 - 18
Ottoman v Iroquois: 266 - 372
Ottoman v Ports: 99 - 68
Ottoman v Russia: 45 - 45
Ottoman v Sioux: 132 - 135
Ottoman v Spain: 380 - 417

Ports
Ports v Aztec: 31 - 35
Ports v Brits: 20 - 30
Ports v Dutch: 53 - 100
Ports v French: 117 - 134
Ports v Germany: 20 - 6
Ports v Iroquois: 52 - 127
Ports v Ottoman: 68 - 99
Ports v Russia: 11 - 17
Ports v Sioux: 37 - 46
Ports v Spain: 87 - 172

Russia
Russia v Aztec: 17 - 15
Russia v Brits: 14 - 13
Russia v Dutch: 46 - 38
Russia v French: 48 - 49
Russia v Germany: 7 - 10
Russia v Iroquois: 35 - 99
Russia v Ottoman: 45 - 45
Russia v Ports: 17 - 11
Russia v Sioux: 23 - 42
Russia v Spain: 43 - 86

Sioux
Sioux v Aztec: 83 - 59
Sioux v Brits: 53 - 49
Sioux v Dutch: 118 - 121
Sioux v French: 195 - 153
Sioux v Germany: 29 - 20
Sioux v Iroquois: 164 - 228
Sioux v Ottoman: 135 - 132
Sioux v Ports: 46 - 37
Sioux v Russia: 42 - 23
Sioux v Spain: 156 - 265

Spain
Spain v Aztec: 187 - 110
Spain v Brits: 136 - 82
Spain v Dutch: 368 - 275
Spain v French: 495 - 331
Spain v Germany: 62 - 11
Spain v Iroquois: 460 - 510
Spain v Ottoman: 417 - 380
Spain v Ports: 172 - 87
Spain v Russia: 86 - 43
Spain v Sioux: 265 - 156


Now there are few things to note between Patch 1.02 and 1.03 so far...

1) Where usage changed by 1% or more
Usage of Iroquois, Spain, Ottomans has dropped.
Usage of Dutch, French, Russia unchanged.
Usage of Sioux, Aztec, Ports, Brits, Germans has risen.

2) Where win % changed by 2% or more
Win % of Spain dropped.
Win % of Dutch, Iroquois unchanged.
Win % of Otto, Sioux, French, Russia, Ports, Brits, Germans has risen.

So 3 things "seem" clear.
1) Spain was weakened as desired by patch
2) Iroquois were not weakened by patch
3) Otto "nerf" wasn't - (sorry Otto fans )

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scriv1984
Skirmisher
posted 04-09-07 01:10 PM EDT (US)     1 / 8       
excellent stats, thanks for posting.. This is very interesting, although it nothing that i didnt expect. Big difference in wins within the aztec v iroq matchup, despite the "OP Scout Slam"

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[This message has been edited by scriv1984 (edited 04-09-2007 @ 01:11 PM).]

Medio
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posted 04-09-07 01:28 PM EDT (US)     2 / 8       
Germany v Iroquois: 17 - 59

Ouch

Germany v Spain: 11 - 62

Even greater ouch

Germany v Ottoman: 18 - 48

Yet some people say Ottos have been overnerfed. EDIT: It is only now I see this is 1.02.

Germany v Dutch: 30 - 24

Now this is looking good.

Germany v Ports: 6 - 20

And this isn't.

[This message has been edited by Mediolanus (edited 04-09-2007 @ 01:30 PM).]

Ender_Ward
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posted 04-09-07 02:12 PM EDT (US)     3 / 8       
Thanks a lot, Garlef. Could you also break this down by PR levels so we can have an accurate comparison with the 1.03 data?

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Walker_5
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posted 07-19-07 05:10 AM EDT (US)     4 / 8       
Bumping the thread.

Compare to what we have today!

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Qazitory
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posted 07-19-07 06:15 AM EDT (US)     5 / 8       
I don't think bumping old threads just for comparison is a good idea. Simple links to old posts serves the same purpose. Or, if you want to compare, you could do your own thread in which you provide some analysis of the changes.

So please don't do any more bumps

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Walker_5
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posted 07-19-07 06:25 AM EDT (US)     6 / 8       
Whats wrong with old threads?

I would assume bumping a thread better then creating a new one with the same data in it.

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Qazitory
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posted 07-19-07 07:08 AM EDT (US)     7 / 8       
Rule of thumb: if you don't add anything new to the topic, don't bump. These are threads we've already seen, no use bringing them back to top if there's no new information.

If you just bring them up for reference, you could just as well link to them where you actually need them. Nothing wrong with creating a new topic if you actually analyse the
statistics Garlef has provided - interpret them.

For instance here's some meta-analysis that could be done in the 1.03@4months thread, or depending on the scope of the analysis, in a new thread:

==

When you observe 1.02 statistics in GOvGO regarding Aztecs, 150 games were played with 35.33% win percentage. In 1.03 @ 4 months, the number of games played had increased to 588 (=~430 games during this time) and the win percentage to 42.69%.
For Ottomans, on the other hand, the number of games played increased from 341 to 553 - only 212 games. The win percentage went down significantly: from 50.73% to 43.94%.

Ottos suffered a large blow in 1.03 and a lot of players deserted them. For Dutch, on the other hand, the number of games played increased from 343 to 1717, a much greater increase than with any other civ - Iro about 1000, Spain 800, French 700.

It's doubtful the +100f for Aztecs caused this interest in playing them, especially since they were also hit by other nerfs. It may be possible, that with less Ottos around, people were more interested in trying other civs and found Aztec power in 1v1 games as well. Or, that the Otto players moved to Dutch (constant vills from TC -> constant gold from banks ).

==

See what I mean? Instead of bumping things just for others to see, you could generate more content.

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Walker_5
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posted 07-19-07 07:52 AM EDT (US)     8 / 8       
Got it.

Although I did my anazysing in the 1.03 thread...

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[This message has been edited by Walker_5 (edited 07-19-2007 @ 07:54 AM).]

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