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Topic Subject: Three Cheers for Heaven: A Tribute based on self reflection
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posted 03-04-06 00:17 AM EDT (US)   
In keeping with the recent self-examination trend that the forums are currently experiencing in regard to HG as a whole, I will devote this thread to my own, personal experience here. Some of it will be sappy, none of it entirely entertaining, and only a small part remotely interesting. Nonetheless, hopefully you will come to understand what HG has meant to me during the three years I've visited the forums.

Part I: Introductions to World Cultures

It all started in Janruary three years prior. Though I no longer remember what events led to my discovery of the AoM Future ES games forums, by some turn of fate I had ended up there. I read about several people's proposals on new civilizations and the like. This was my first experience with forums--indeed, the very concept of them was foreign to me at this point. After a few days, though, I became enthralled with the discussion. I proceeded to register for the forums and, to my surprise found that I had already registered in November the preceding year in order to download various things, which now escape my memory, for AoK. Now this had no bearing on my forumming experience, but it is an entertaining coincidence--at least to me. The name I had registered with was 'gon_racin', and from there my forumming career began.

As I said, I had no prior experience with forums, and my experience with different peoples and different cultures was quite narrow at that point. it is not surprising, then, that I made a fool of myself with my early posts. Who doesn't? I eventually found the Community forums which at that time, if I remember correctly, were titled Halls of Valhalla. None of my posts there were noteworthy, with the exception of a few politically directed posts, which, as you would expect from someone who has not experienced global culture long, were pathetic. Fortunately, a few forummers happened to be on the same side as I was, WTB especially, so my chastisement was at a minimum.

But the fates, it seemed, had more in store for me. After a relatively short time at HoV, I discovered OD, which at that time was something else (I can't remember the name of the old HG main forums). My politically pathetic posts, were judged in a much harsher light in HG main, as you would expect. Although I also posted in the Library, the most notable experience happened in KoRT (that's the name!). There were two threads in particular: one about the Iraq war (as at this time the [potential] invasion was being debated heavily) and another made by Natalina entitled "Oil!" (this also veered toward Iraq). It was in these two threads that my naivete was exposed to the highest degree. Most of my posts happened in one night, and I suffered harsh insults because of them. Although I pretended not to care, I'm sure it hurt at least a little.

I say this because after that night, my participance dwindled. Although most people still didn't know me, I felt as if everyone thought I was incredibly stupid. Now Dio or Brock might not have a problem with it, but back then, it bothered me. Eventually, I decided I couldn't keep posting with that identity. I considered just leaving the forums, but for some reason they pulled me back. I decided to create a new name, and to sever all connections with my old identity. Also, I was determined not to make a fool of myself again, so I promised myself to refrain from posting in any serious discussions, particularly those involving politics. My new name, of course, was Meteora.

My early days as Meteora are a blur to me now. I remember that I was cautious not to hint toward my old name, so no longer put my location up and was careful not to express the same likes or dislikes. I also began to stay away from the Community forums of AoMH and almost completely ignored HG main. This is when my current forum identity began to truly develop, although I'm reasonably certain that every aspect of it has changed in some way by now.

As I said, my early days are a blur, but I do remember that I hung out in Future ES games a lot, and later Expack discussions. An important event to my development as a forummer came with my reentry into political debates. Once again, this began with a thread on Iraq. I joined it quite late, but I was cautious not to make ridiculous claims. I performed quite respectably, although accomplished little. The reason for my reemergence as a debator resulted, I think from the confidence I gained while forumming as Meteora. The experience I had in KoRT back as gon_racin also taught me a lot about the nature of internet debates. Most importantly, though, my early experiences as gon_racin and the early Meteora really taught me about beliefs and cultures that were otherwise foreign to me. For the first time, I was getting a good representation of the beliefs that were completely and utterly different from my own. I couldn't have learned that without the forums, as that wasn't available at home or at school.

Part II: A True Identity Emerges

These days are the ones that I can keep track of least. There are essentially three aspects of my forumming experience here that stick out to me. I remember my frequent, vicious debates on political and religious issues; my participance in the first few LPWs (which is when they developed into the TMO-type threads that later defined them); and my posts in both RoNH and Ex-pack discussions. Chronologically, these all happened at about the same time, over the space of at least six months to as long as two years; however, the Ex-pack Discussions 'Golden Age' probably happened slightly eariler.

The political debates were some of the most important factors in determining my forumming identity. I argued all the time, and was reasonably adept at it. My posts weren't always of good quality, and they weren't always logically valid, but I could hold my own. Acamas was also a major player in some of these, and because he posted in the same manner I did as gon_racin, I seemed to be the 'logical' Conservative of the forums. I really identified myself as a Politically Conservative Roman-Catholic at this point, and this self-given label had an unfortunately large part in determing what I believed. Nonetheless, these debates began the next step in my intellectual transformation. Whereas the KoRT experience taught me what both sides of the popular arguments were and which arguments are completely intolerable and ridiculous, it was in these later debates where I really began to understand argumentation and the art of logic.

My participation in the LPWs were quite notable. Although I missed the first one as Meteora, I posted heavily in the second one, and during the next few I became perhaps the most prolific poster. I'm sure I had over 1000 posts (maybe even 2000 or more) combined in LPW2 to LPW6. There were some notable forummers here that took part in the LPW craze with me. The ones I remember most are Flames, IF, Dessy (a bit later), Kgirl, and, of course, Tyme. It was with Kgirl and Tyme that the best times were had, I think (no offense with anyones else). And although I don't know what they think of me, I've always felt a certain fondness for the both of them. Even though my political participation had a large impact in who I am as a forummer today, I think my participation in LPW had a more immediate impact. My personality online really developed here, and several aspects that identified me later came about because of LPW. Among these were my 'obsession' with Jessica Alba, my supposed arrogance, my nickname "Mete The Lame," and my extremely heavy posting. My experience in these were reflected in all the other threads I posted in.

My participation in RoNH and ExPack discussions are hard to remember, but I feel they are worth mentioning. At RoNH, I participated heavily in General Discussion, which is probably the only time I have ever done so. I also was one of the most prominent members in the Community forums there, although at that time there were a few more than there were even slightly later. What I remember most about Ex-Pack discussions was that aom dude and I could be said to dominate the forums. We didn't agree on everything in relation to the Expansion Pack, but we were usually united when it came to mutilating the less-intelligent suggestions that less experienced forummers made (which, ironically, were the same types of posts I made as gon_racin). Deathmaster666 also played a reasonably important role here, although all I remember about him is that we had some rather hostile debates. Lastly, SOAP got his name in Ex Pack Discussions, and his feud with Acamas also began there. My experiences here are worth noting, I feel, simply because they were really the only time I posted heavily in relation to the game. Other than these times, my HG experienced has been completely Community-related. Also, my RoNH posting days brought me as close as I will ever be to becoming a mod, and they also lead to great times in the late RoNH Community forums.

The most important thing that happened during this period is the one I am most embarrassed about mentioning, although I think others are or were in the same position. My participation at HG was unfathomably high, and my ppd went up to over 23 (which was higher than it seemed, because for a long time I was around 4.0). HG became my only real social experience, which was the basis of my high participation. My spoke with HG people more than I spoke to anyone in real life. Although I can pinpoint exactly why, it is obvious that this fact is extremely important when it comes to determining my HG identity as well as my RL identity. To me, HG was more of a real life than real life was. I was slightly self-concious about it, but I never had the will-power or the motivation to cut myself from HG and rectify the situation. I guess I was able to determine that it wasn't a totally bad thing that most of my social interaction came from HG; alternatively, my rationale might have been that it was my biggest mode of social interaction simply because I couldn't have any other one, and that quitting HG would simply mean that I would have no social interaction at all. I honestly can't remember. Of course, I also stayed because HG was so damned fun at that point. I would often spend hours posting in LPW alone, and I would have a smile on my face the entire time.

Part III: A Revolution of Attitude

Some time between my experiences that I had just spoke of and now, something big changed in me. I'm not sure what it was, but, slowly but surely, it greatly changed how I used the forums. It started, I think, some time near the end of AoMH's popularity to the first months of Ao3H's reign. My confidence as a forummer had grown exponentially in the two years since I had started forumming, and by now I was making threads weekly, and had even had a few brushes with bandom. I was a prominent forummer; I probably wasn't the most well-liked, but I certainly wasn't hated. Either way, I was well-known.

Like I said, I can't put a finger on exactly what changed, but it is obvious something did. The simplest explanation is that I just got older, and with that my maturity rose to a point where I no longer felt like posting how I used. Certainly that's a major part of it, but I don't think it can explain everything. Certainly there have been times recently when my posting habits modelled those that I had a while ago, and there have been times a while ago where my posting was as it is now. I think the biggest factor in my change is what has happened outside the forums. Whereas the forums were my biggest social interaction for two years or so, now that I'm in college that is no longer the case. Not only am I more busy now, but I also view the forums in a totally different life. I post here, now, solely because it is entertaining. I can't say they are a major part of my lifestyle at all.

Actually attending college doesn't account for the total change, though (which is obvious). Even the summer after I finished high school, my posting habits began the trend that is so far developed now. I didn't necessarily post less, but things that interested me no longer did. I unintentionally began ignoring things which used to amuse me to no end or give me huge amounts of satisfaction, such as the Staff of Truth religion. My outlook on my life and my future changed with the milestone of graduating from high school. I began to look forward to the future more, and some how that translated into a lessened identity tie with the forums.

I can't honestly judge how am I now. I can only let you do that. Because I'm still in the midst of the change of attitude, and indeed we never stop changing anyway, I can't get any perspective on it. So I suppose, when it comes to seeing how what I am now, I have to leave it to you guys.


I wrote this tribute not as a glorification of my forumming career or a statement of my importance. You guys certainly would have no interest reading an auto-biography of my time at HG. Nor was it written as a farewell notice. I don't mean to imply that I have the authority to write a history on HG, or that I've experienced HG more than anyone else, for neither of those are even remotely true. I'm not trying to suck up or be all lovey and sappy toward HG. Rather, I wrote it for two reasons: To better help myself understand what HG means to me and how it has affected my life (because like it or not, it has been a huge part of my life), and to offer an example to others of what HG can mean to a person. Certainly others will have different experiences with it, and by no means am I implying that mine is innately better or is a good representation.

So what has HG done for me? Well, hopefully I've offered some explanation in the preceding paragraphs, but if I had to summarize it in one statement, I would say this: HG has broadened my horizons. In my view, there is so much about the world that I wouldn't know if it weren't for HG. As I said in the beginning, before I started forumming, I was completely naive on all political matters--hell, not just political, but in all matters that affect people. I didn't really know other points of view, and HG has been invaluable in helping to learn them.

An interesting thing about my experience here is that it has been almost completely community-based, and yet this is primarily a gaming site. What does this mean for HG? What does it mean for me? Nothing. HG brought together a community made up of people who shared common interests. It's natural that a strong community will develop even after many of its members have no interest in what originally brought them together. I don't think this should be discouaged, and, in fact, I think it is something that should be encouraged.

So what now? Well, nothing. This isn't a farewell notice, or anything like that. I don't believe in such things. I'm not leaving, nor am I going to start posting less than I have been.

I guess the most basic reason this was written, aside from what I outline above, is that I realized, after much recent self-reflection, that I owe a lot to HG. It made me who I am today. So whether you're interested in this or not, I feel I owe it to the community to say how important it has been to me.

If you read all this, thanks. If not, well, the most important paragraphs are the first three of the conclusion, I think. At least read those.

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posted 03-04-06 00:21 AM EDT (US)     1 / 31  
This is why I love Mete.

< Jarrod Nelson>
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posted 03-04-06 00:27 AM EDT (US)     2 / 31  
I read all of that.

Great thread, Mete. I can definitely identify with parts of it, and it's interesting to here from your point of view. I'd definitely say HG has broadened my horizons in much the same way. I don't get into quite the same debates, but I'm talking to people I would never get a chance to talk to in real life.

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posted 03-04-06 00:41 AM EDT (US)     3 / 31  
Same here. I met Shan through HG, and I speak to him more daily than I do to my parents. Quite literally.

HG has also made me a much more well rounded person.

And then there are people like Mete, who are always there for a laugh or advice.

< Jarrod Nelson>
Nelson looks good in his pics - Gaurdian_112
Wow, Nelson's awfully cute... - HP Lovesauce
Thanks for ruining something that I've waited over 6 years for. - Redneck93
It might be a bit of an odd moment to say so, but I still think Nelson's smile is awesome. - Hnossa
posted 03-04-06 00:48 AM EDT (US)     4 / 31  
The best time I had with Mete was when he tried to guess who MadCynicalDummy was on MSN...haha.

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posted 03-04-06 01:17 AM EDT (US)     5 / 31  
How you turned that into a trilogy I'll never know...

Good stuff.

I haven't really "bonded" with much of this community, probably because you're all on my alternate MSN account, which I rarely (if ever) log on to.

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posted 03-04-06 08:14 AM EDT (US)     6 / 31  
WOW! Just WOW!

Help me to tally the forums belief patterns, vote in my poll

Tally so far:-
posted 03-04-06 08:20 AM EDT (US)     7 / 31  
OT summed up my comment

We love you Mete

posted 03-04-06 12:51 PM EDT (US)     8 / 31  

zomg, I luv mete

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posted 03-04-06 01:00 PM EDT (US)     9 / 31  
I love meat.

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posted 03-04-06 01:13 PM EDT (US)     10 / 31  
Mete for Cherub!!!!11!1!1oneone

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posted 03-04-06 02:38 PM EDT (US)     11 / 31  
Mete gives me the warm fuzzies.

Cosmopolitan? Check.
posted 03-04-06 03:01 PM EDT (US)     12 / 31  
I completely agree about the experiancing different cultures part. When I first came here, I was very suprised to find people from Europe, Asia, Australia, etc. I don't really know why it suprised me, but I guess up until that point I had no contact with people from other countries and didn't really know what to think now that I did. (Go ahead and call me an ignorant American, because I was.) HG has really helped me realize that I have many things in common with people of completely different backgrounds. That's probably one of the main reasons I still come here, interaction with people from around the world whom I wouldn't have contact with without HG. (and mafia games ) I wouldn't say that HG has changed me as a person, (I haven't changed who I am in real life because of HG) but it certainly broadened my perspective on other cultures and politics, as well as providing me with something to do when I'm bored.
posted 03-04-06 03:30 PM EDT (US)     13 / 31  
I agree, HG certainl helped me in developing my anglophile tendencies.

Help me to tally the forums belief patterns, vote in my poll

Tally so far:-
posted 03-04-06 03:43 PM EDT (US)     14 / 31  
Very nicely put, Mete.

Where the whole different cultures thing really didn't effect me so much, since I came from modding at Runescape, and knowing quite a few(hundred) people on there, but one thing did surprise me.

What got me, was that this community is so nice and encouraging. When I first came here, I too, was a little intimidated and didn't know anyone. But then, once I started posting, I found out you guys are pretty good. Sure, there's arguments and stuff like that, but I don't mind a good debate over something. But I've met a lot of good friends here, found some threads that I'm a major part of, etc...

But coming from experience from other forums and sites, you guys have to be the cream of the crop. Every other site, IMO, tends to be snobby toward you, and just not very encouraging. But that's not the case here. You can bet that I'll be around here for awhile.

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posted 03-04-06 04:19 PM EDT (US)     15 / 31  
Thanks for the comments.

In case you were curious: Post 39

You better believe it.

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posted 03-04-06 04:26 PM EDT (US)     16 / 31  
I refuse.

posted 03-04-06 04:29 PM EDT (US)     17 / 31  


you guys are just making bad stuff up about America cuz you hate it cuz we are so much better than you.


posted 03-04-06 04:45 PM EDT (US)     18 / 31  
Props to you Mete, for writing all of that. I identify with a lot of what you wrote, espicially because we started off and ended up in the same places (forum-wise and maturity-wise). I actually think it was watching your political discussions that got me interested in politics in the first place.

Also, your post is even cooler cause it mentions me in it, even though I doubt you recognize this name.

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posted 03-04-06 05:04 PM EDT (US)     19 / 31  
Good post Mete. I also identify with a lot of what you wrote.

What are you studying btw?

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posted 03-04-06 06:08 PM EDT (US)     20 / 31  
I thought I'd post here just tell you I didn't read that, and I will not read it in future.
posted 03-04-06 06:21 PM EDT (US)     21 / 31  


In case you were curious: Post 39

You better believe it.



One of Elpea's early topics in particular was rather good, too, I think.

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posted 03-04-06 06:23 PM EDT (US)     22 / 31  



zomg, I luv mete

posted 03-05-06 02:26 PM EDT (US)     23 / 31  
Nice thread Mete. Even though I wasn't at AoMH or RoNH, etc, I read it.

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posted 03-05-06 02:29 PM EDT (US)     24 / 31  
I've always known Mete. It just so happens that when he first started being active, I had computer problems and didn't have internet for months.

I really got to know him at RoNH though, and that was one of the best memories I have at HG. RoNH was our little town where we all had roles and expectations, fun stuffs.

Red vs Blue thread brings back many many memories, there should be another!

posted 03-05-06 02:58 PM EDT (US)     25 / 31  
I still remember that the first real political debate that I had here was with Mete.

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