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Fili
Skirmisher
posted 05-26-05 07:27 AM EDT (US)         
It's an important thing for me since I am going to buy a new graphic card. Is AOE3 optimized for the current Nvida generation(6xxx) or will it be optimized for the next generation (GeForce 7??)?(since I read a post in the aoe3question forum, which was made by an es employee, that said that developers use the unreleased generation of graphic cards to develop their game.)
Anyone got a clue? Since if the game is made using a GeForce 7 or something, it's pointless to spend money on the GeForce 6800 GT I wanted to buy.
Any thoughts?
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Fili
Skirmisher
posted 05-28-05 07:46 AM EDT (US)     26 / 93       
If that's right, well, I don't need another graphic card since my GeForce 440 MX can run AOM fast on 1280x1024, but are you sure? Can anyone confirm?
Rookierookie
Banned
posted 05-28-05 08:19 AM EDT (US)     27 / 93       
Read Ceres629's post, he knows what he is talking about.
Spacemonk
Skirmisher
posted 05-28-05 08:27 AM EDT (US)     28 / 93       
well I would upgrade your geforce 440 mx, but not earlier then necisairy, I mean don't go buy one for aoe3 right now, cause the longer you wait the cheaper they get unless you need it right now for another game
Rookierookie
Banned
posted 05-28-05 08:30 AM EDT (US)     29 / 93       
True. Don't upgrade unless you need to. The next ATI/Nvidia cards are on the horizon, and prices for AGP cards are slowly dropping since more and more people are using PCI-Express.
Fili
Skirmisher
posted 05-28-05 09:01 AM EDT (US)     30 / 93       
My dad definetly says "no" to a PCI-express motherboard because he says I also have to change the processor. I will stick to the old AGP solution. So, I'll wait for the GeForce 7800.
Rookierookie
Banned
posted 05-28-05 09:17 AM EDT (US)     31 / 93       
I doubt the Geforce 7 will be released for AGP. At least not the high end versions.
Fili
Skirmisher
posted 05-28-05 09:21 AM EDT (US)     32 / 93       
Well, if it's not, I'll do everything I can to convince my dad PCI-express is worth the investment. Thanks to everyone who has answered.
fhertlein
Skirmisher
posted 05-28-05 09:50 AM EDT (US)     33 / 93       
You may have to convince your father to purchase a new CPU, but it does not mean that you have to buy the top of the line CPUs.

mobo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813152049
$85.00

CPUs:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=GO&Range=1&InnerCata=343&bop=and&description=939&order=price
$150 and up

RAM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820146299
$83.55

Video:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130214
$174, but there is a $15 rebate

So $500 to upgrade the key components if you want to go PCI-Express.

Of course you can shop around for better prices or choose your own stuff.

Genghis Con
Skirmisher
posted 05-28-05 11:05 AM EDT (US)     34 / 93       
@ fhertlein
good job choosing newegg for cheap prices but at least for ram there's even cheaper than you said (still good quality)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820223006
2 of those comes out to $70
fhertlein
Skirmisher
posted 05-28-05 11:16 AM EDT (US)     35 / 93       
Genghis Con,

The price difference between a gig of ram is only $14, but the speed difference is PC2700 vs. PC3200.

That is the only reason I suggested the 3200 ram, especially if the individual wants to do some overclocking.

Aphot
Skirmisher
posted 05-28-05 12:18 PM EDT (US)     36 / 93       
If you guy has nvidia cards, use nvidia tweak to get some of the video card to use your actual ram and the vram.

I sure hope shader 3 looks nice on my 6600gt.

for graphics card min spec, should be around a ati 9600/nVidia 5600/5700, med graphics 9800/6600 and high graphics X800 +/6800 +


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Fili
Skirmisher
posted 05-28-05 12:36 PM EDT (US)     37 / 93       
I haven't metioned, but since I live in Romania, I highly doubt newegg offers it's services here. VATs here are 19% and frankly, online stores have no interest in shipping the product to a stupid eastern-european country... Not to mention, that salaries here aren't the brightest...
AnC_Ivo17
Skirmisher
posted 05-29-05 04:15 PM EDT (US)     38 / 93       
Actually I live in Bulgaria ! Here the prices arent much dieffernet than those in Newegg, and here the VAT is 20%, but there is the possibility not to pay VAT even if u r home user. I am planning to buy a PC around $1500 with the following specs:
P4@3.00Ghz
2Gb DDRII-533MHz RAM
Asus MBoard
250GB HDD SATA
AtiX800XT 256MB RAM, 256 bit, PCI-X x16, Vivo
17" LCD philips,samsung or sony monitor
Sony 8.5 Gb DVDRW

In hoc signo vinces!
- Spiritum Sancti
Rookierookie
Banned
posted 05-30-05 10:18 AM EDT (US)     39 / 93       
Problem 1. Intel. That's already a problem in itself.
Problem 2. Pairing a 3.0GHz processor with 2GB RAM - waste of RAM
Problem 3. Outdated graphics card
AnC_Ivo17
Skirmisher
posted 05-30-05 02:24 PM EDT (US)     40 / 93       
To Firefox:
1. Intel has higher FSB than AMD, it has more L1, L2 and even L3 cache. As the 6xx series come out they even support 64-bit applications. Also the hyper-threating is better than the AMD's hypertransport.
2. 2gigs ram is absoletely fine having in mind that new games r resources-hungry.
3. only the X850XTPE is better than this card. And it costs almost twice more!!!

In hoc signo vinces!
- Spiritum Sancti
deduijk
Skirmisher
posted 05-30-05 02:48 PM EDT (US)     41 / 93       
omg. Some1 isn't informed.

AMD is still the fastest processor arround! Even the new P4 EE 3,7Ghz isn't faster than amd!

Only on video editing it is SLIGHTLY faster and that is only because of the SSE2 technique it uses (SSE2 is ideal for media encoding). The AMD and the intel are almost as fast per clockcycle and then the p4 wins because of the faster clockfrequency. (AMD FX55 works on 2.6GHz).

On all other terrains the AMD won with big differences. Especially on games AMD rules.

CU,
deduijk

AnC_Ivo17
Skirmisher
posted 05-30-05 02:52 PM EDT (US)     42 / 93       
deduijk I agree that amd is better for games, but when running multiple applications Intel is better. But having in mind that AOE3 will put more stress on the video card than on the CPU that problem wont matter much.

In hoc signo vinces!
- Spiritum Sancti
deduijk
Skirmisher
posted 05-30-05 03:03 PM EDT (US)     43 / 93       
RTS games do have an impact on the cpu as well. Normally rts games require more cpu and fps require little cpu and much gpu.

But i agree both are good enough. BUT: p4 is not better with mroe apps. Some applications (read office applications) are optimized for intel, and therefore work A LITTLE (sometimes not even) better on a p4.

but processes/techniques used the amd still rulez all. Maybe when intel starts using its new manufactering technique they will equal amd. but untill then..


oh 1 more thing: an amd needs less cooling (produces less heat) and has cool-n-quiet. This makes sure a amd is more silent then an p4 too.

CU,
deduijk

Ajs77311
Skirmisher
posted 05-30-05 03:08 PM EDT (US)     44 / 93       
I have an AGP Mobo.
And I have a 512mb RAM stick.

If I get an PCI-E Mobo, I can still use that same stick right?
And my same processor (considering the Socket type)?

And what do you think about my AMD Athlon 64 3200+?


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Fili
Skirmisher
posted 05-30-05 03:09 PM EDT (US)     45 / 93       
Ok, I've almost decided what to get: a new PCIe motherboard (maybe with SLI) and a GeForce 6600GT (for now...). Why is ever1 picking on my poor little Intel and my poor little cute nVIDIA?? WHY? I prefer Intel to AMD and nVIDIA to ATi (but nVIDIA--make those damn nFORCE chipsets fot Intel too... and FASTER) Thanks to every1 for their supoort. And AnC_Ivo17, mabe you have msn...
Spacemonk
Skirmisher
posted 05-30-05 03:15 PM EDT (US)     46 / 93       
@ajs

you're right, you can still use the same ram and cpu, you only need to get another graphics card of course


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deduijk
Skirmisher
posted 05-30-05 03:32 PM EDT (US)     47 / 93       
fili.., be wary when u buy sli.

If later u want to use it, then u will need to EXACT same cards. And as of now 1 6800 is faster then two 6600 in SLI (ok this will become less and less as games will start to use SLI more and more).

and nVidea is a nice choice.., i still have an nvidea card also.. Although in a later stage it might get to an ATI as well.., as more than once Ati has proved to set the standard higher than nVidea (#Techs, use of techs, speed etc). In all the tests I have seen ATI performs better with for instance with AA,AF etc.

But i'm still happy with my MSI nVidea..

CU,
deduijk

AnC_Ivo17
Skirmisher
posted 05-30-05 03:33 PM EDT (US)     48 / 93       
Actually when the two-nucleus processor appears in the winter 2005 the prices of P4 at 3,8 will decrease. But anyways u r right about cooling.

In hoc signo vinces!
- Spiritum Sancti
deduijk
Skirmisher
posted 05-30-05 03:35 PM EDT (US)     49 / 93       
@ajs
What socket do u have..? Cuz I am not really sure there still are motherboards with socketA and pci-e if u have that.

and socketA Amd's are fased out. They are really hard to get as AMD doesn't make them anymore (thus mobo manufacturers don't make boards for it).

CU,
deduijk

AnC_Ivo17
Skirmisher
posted 05-30-05 03:39 PM EDT (US)     50 / 93       
@Fili. Yes i have msn. it is anc_ivofficial@yahoo.com. U c it right @yahoo.com and using msn account.
Also if u plan to buy card mainly for aoe3 buy it somewhere sept or oct. Actually nowadays ati is more often used than nvidia, also Xbox360 uses ati card.

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- Spiritum Sancti
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