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Topic Subject:How to get a PC that will run AOE 3 on Ultra for under $2000.
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Zeusmeister
Skirmisher
posted 06-27-05 05:49 PM EDT (US)         
I actially don't know what to buy. I just wrote this to get suggestions. Should I build my own PC or buy from someone? (alienware maybe) Should I get a 7800 GTX or something cheaper?

Solution:

Buy Dimension 8400 from Dell.
Choose the following options:
3.0 Ghz Pentium 4 Proccesor
1 Gigabyte of DDR 3 533 Mhz Memory
XP professional operating system
SELECT THE CHEAPEST GRAPHICS CARD ON THE LIST AND SELECT INTEGRATED AUDIO

This Dell system should be less than $1000.
(if you select no monitor)

Then, buy a GeForce 7800 GTX graphics card for $600
(This is the fastest graphics card in the world right now, and it's well worth the money)

Then, if you really want an ULTRA POWERFUL machine, buy 2 more 512 Mb sticks of memory for under $175 (only 2 slots come filled from Dell)

You will then have a computer with the following:
3.0 Ghz Pentium 4
2 Gigabytes of 533 Mhz memory
GeForce 7800 GTX graphics card

This system will cost under $1750 and will be more than fast enough to play AOE 3 on ultra.

PLEASE DON'T MOVE THIS TOPIC TO ANOTHER FORUM, BECAUSE NOBODY L00KS THERE

[This message has been edited by Zeusmeister (edited 06-28-2005 @ 01:15 PM).]

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Ferdinand Gwonch
Skirmisher
posted 07-03-05 10:51 AM EDT (US)     101 / 130       
alas... the possibilities of buying an as-cheap-as-powerful PC in First World... very far away from us (brazil and other 3rd World countries) =(

OWN GOAL
AOE_Lord
Skirmisher
posted 07-03-05 01:47 PM EDT (US)     102 / 130       

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I would buy an AMD processer if you are planning to play games on that computer.


My motherboard isn't built to run with an AMD Processor. Otherwise I would've.

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If you want to stick with Intel, at least get a slightly faster processer (3.2 Ghz)


Ok. Slightly faster...I'll keep that in mind....

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Make sure your motherboard has PCI-express x16 so you can upgrade your video card in the future.


It has 1 PCI-E x16

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Your moterboard might have integrated network adapters, so you might not need the ethernet card. It also probably has integrated sound, so unless you are an audiophile, you won't need the sound card.


It has the option of getting the following

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10/100/1000Base-T Gigabit Ethernet LAN; 6-channel theater-class audio; S/PDIF in/out

. Would it be better to get the integrated or just to get what I've already decided to get?

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I would also get a name brand power supply. Thermaltake, OCZ, and a few others are good brands.

I have a 500 Watt power supply.
Ceres629
Skirmisher
posted 07-03-05 02:08 PM EDT (US)     103 / 130       
Nice choice AOELord, As was suggested a 3.2ghz will be better to get than a 2.8ghz. That should play AOE3 smooth as silk.

However you don't need a LAN card better to keep on-board LAN if you the motherboard has it, but don't use on-board sound as was suggested! It will eat up CPU cycles slowing you down.

Good luck with your new system!

[This message has been edited by Ceres629 (edited 07-03-2005 @ 02:11 PM).]

Zeusmeister
Skirmisher
posted 07-03-05 03:43 PM EDT (US)     104 / 130       
I am building my own machine.
Is it worth it to buy an audio card or should I stick with integrated audio.
My dad says "Why do you need a sound card if you only have stereo speakers?"
Isn't a sound card made to take the load off the CPU?
AOE_Lord
Skirmisher
posted 07-03-05 03:54 PM EDT (US)     105 / 130       
Zeus, get a new sound card. DO NOT use integrated. Just as it was suggested to me.
Rookierookie
Banned
posted 07-03-05 08:41 PM EDT (US)     106 / 130       
How much CPU cycles does onboard sound take from a 2.4GHz P4? Not enough for anything but the computer to notice. If you think that matters, I really have nothing to say.

The difference in performance in Doom 3 between a top sound card and onboard sound is less than 5%.

AOE_Lord, if you intend on using the 7.1 channel speakers, you can't use onboard sound, and you need a better sound card than the SB Live!. Get an Audigy 2 Value, or at the least, a SoundBlaster Live! with 7.1 channel sound capability.

[This message has been edited by Firefox (edited 07-03-2005 @ 08:42 PM).]

AOE_Lord
Skirmisher
posted 07-03-05 09:20 PM EDT (US)     107 / 130       
I'm not getting the 7.1 sound. I changed my mind.
Elpea
Hal
(id: lp_usa)
posted 07-03-05 09:24 PM EDT (US)     108 / 130       
Dell computers are quite awesome. Their case is the greatest pre-made computer case I've ever seen. Everything is made great, upgrading requires no unscrewing.

Ceres629
Skirmisher
posted 07-04-05 01:53 AM EDT (US)     109 / 130       

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How much CPU cycles does onboard sound take from a 2.4GHz P4? Not enough for anything but the computer to notice. If you think that matters, I really have nothing to say.

The difference in performance in Doom 3 between a top sound card and onboard sound is less than 5%.


It depends on the game, I'm a huge player of Counter Strike source and switching to a PCI sound card gave me a 10% performance boost, and the benchmark in the link below shows a decent PCI card giving almost 15% more performance over onboard sound.

http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-x-1240-x-x-x&body_pagenum=8

I'm sure you will agree that 10% more CPU performance is not insignificant.

Dell computers are quite awesome. Their case is the greatest pre-made computer case I've ever seen. Everything is made great, upgrading requires no unscrewing.

And they have EXCELLENT customer care with a customer support team that speaks perfect fluent english and understands ALL your problems and helps you solve them!!!

[This message has been edited by Ceres629 (edited 07-04-2005 @ 01:56 AM).]

schildpad
Skirmisher
posted 07-04-05 04:15 AM EDT (US)     110 / 130       
Dell just sucks
Rookierookie
Banned
posted 07-04-05 07:48 AM EDT (US)     111 / 130       
If I'm going to build a PC myself, I'll try and get my hands on a Dell case. All my experiences with Dell cases have been sweet. They require no screws to open, and the internals are neat and easy to manage. In fact, I believe I can sabotage one of my school's old Dells by removing its RAM in less than a minute without any tools.
Slickman_G
Skirmisher
posted 07-04-05 07:54 AM EDT (US)     112 / 130       
Dell cases are the best....to look at, and to build (with)

(`.`....`.)
(.`Slick G`.)
(`.`....`.)
Zeusmeister
Skirmisher
posted 07-04-05 07:06 PM EDT (US)     113 / 130       
I'm going to buy a GeForce 6800 GT or Ultra. Which one should I buy and does the brand matter (I need PCI-express and 256 Mb memory)
lief ericson
Skirmisher
posted 07-04-05 07:18 PM EDT (US)     114 / 130       
If you have the money to buy the 6800 Ultra, I'd just get a BFG 6800 GT. Not only does it come overclocked (making it just as good as the Ultra), BFG is a great company, with awesome 24/7 tech support and a lifetime warranty. From what I've heard, the difference between a 6800 GT and Ultra really isn't big enough to justify spending more on the Ultra.

SEXITUP.
Former Leader of the FPH Clan
Acting-President of AoMH
Zeusmeister
Skirmisher
posted 07-04-05 07:40 PM EDT (US)     115 / 130       
Oh, BFG has a liftime warranty. Thanks for the heads up.
Are there any other difference between BFG and a cheap company such as e-VGA?
Ceres629
Skirmisher
posted 07-04-05 08:56 PM EDT (US)     116 / 130       

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Dell computers are quite awesome. Their case is the greatest pre-made computer case I've ever seen. Everything is made great, upgrading requires no unscrewing.

LOL, I only just realise you weren't being sarcastic...

Last two times I tried upgrade a dell the PSU exploded.

Aphot
Skirmisher
posted 07-05-05 01:12 AM EDT (US)     117 / 130       
AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice Integrated into Chip FSB Socket 939 Processor Model ADA3000BPBOX - Retail - $146.00

DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail - $129.00

OCZ 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 500 (PC 4000) Unbuffered Dual Channel Kit System Memory Model OCZ5001024ELDCGEVX-K - Retail - $179.99

Seagate Barracuda 7200.8 ST3250823AS 250GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM - $123.00

XFX PVT45GUDF3 Geforce 6800GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail - $299.00 (After rebate)

OCZ ModStream OCZ52012U ATX 520W Power Supply - Retail - $90.00

THERMALRIGHT XP-120 Heatsink - Retail $54.99

Nice fan to go with it $5-20

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM $7.99

DVD burner - $50

Case - $50 - $150

keyboard, mouse, monitor ect(most people already have this crap )

$1135 Minimum, This should last you some time, also that heatsink is for overclocking .


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System: P4 2.4A | Asus P4P800-E Deluxe | 1024MB 512x2 Samsung PC3200 in dual channel| XFX 6600GT | WD 120GB, Seagate 40GB | OCz Modstream 450Watt
Chris27
Skirmisher
posted 07-05-05 10:24 AM EDT (US)     118 / 130       
a 3200+ venice(only costs about $40 or more) would make overclocking a lot easier. a 9x multiplier is kind of limited and a 10x much better. also mushkin redline xp4000(same chips and pcb as the ocz vx) is a better choice as they tend to overclock a lot further on average. I would not get a modstream but get a powerstream (they are a lot beefier) and just get an xp90 instead of the xp120, the xp90 is 1/2 the costs and only performs like 1 degree worse, or get the xp90c (the all copper one) which outperforms the xp120. and also you can find artic silver 5 for a lot cheaper than that if you look around like at www.svc.comor www.jab-tech.com

and btw this system is made for overclocking. only get the dfi-ultra d if you know a decent amount about computers as they are very complicated and have bugs you have to work around.

if you are not interested in overclocking look into the msi nforce 4 motherboard line, get cheapo value memory, and stick with the heatsink provide by the boxed processor and use the money saved to invest into a faster processor (like the sandiego 3700+) as there is a big difference between a 1.8ghz 200htt venice to a 2.7ghz 270htt (a pretty common overclock) so the gap needs to be filled somewhat

[This message has been edited by Chris27 (edited 07-05-2005 @ 10:30 AM).]

Zeusmeister
Skirmisher
posted 07-05-05 10:43 AM EDT (US)     119 / 130       
Which of the following should I buy?
An XFX GeForce 6800 GT for $300 (after rebate)
A BFG OC GeForce 6800 GT for $410
A BFB OC GeForce 6800 Ultra for $450
Aphot
Skirmisher
posted 07-05-05 12:05 PM EDT (US)     120 / 130       
Aye X\ Thanks chris, im more of an intel guy, but amd seems to be good for gaming.

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System: P4 2.4A | Asus P4P800-E Deluxe | 1024MB 512x2 Samsung PC3200 in dual channel| XFX 6600GT | WD 120GB, Seagate 40GB | OCz Modstream 450Watt
Chris27
Skirmisher
posted 07-05-05 01:26 PM EDT (US)     121 / 130       
get the xfx 6800gt or the xfx 512mb ultra for $460 (was $800 two weeks ago ) http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=190178
fhertlein
Skirmisher
posted 07-05-05 01:41 PM EDT (US)     122 / 130       
6800gts are < $300 at Newegg. Not the 512ram cards though.
Zeusmeister
Skirmisher
posted 07-05-05 05:31 PM EDT (US)     123 / 130       
What's a good sound card to buy. I want good stereo sound and I want to enable EAX 3.0 or whatever that high end option is in games. (I don't have surround sound)
fhertlein
Skirmisher
posted 07-05-05 05:57 PM EDT (US)     124 / 130       
Be nice if we knew when Creative was releasing their X-Fi.

Creative 2 ZS is good, and inexpensive with a little shopping around.

Rookierookie
Banned
posted 07-05-05 08:44 PM EDT (US)     125 / 130       
SoundBlaster Audigy 2 Value.
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