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Echy88
Skirmisher
posted 08-23-05 11:53 AM EDT (US)         
I saw the specs thread and have come across many other threads dealing with system specs that ask about running Aoe3. I plan on upgrading my computer so it can run Aoe3 better and basically other modern games.

My current specs are:
Dell Dimension 4700
Intel Pentium 4 3.00ghz processor
512mb Ram
Ati Radeon x300 SE

I was just wondering if any of you had any suggestions about what I should upgrade to inhance my gaming experience. I plan on uprading to 1 gig of ram but am confused about the video cards. Thanks a lot, I appreciate any replies.

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justiw
Skirmisher
posted 08-23-05 12:18 PM EDT (US)     1 / 32       
I have a nearly identical computer. I can play Half-Life 2 without much trouble, so I think my computer will be able to handle AOE without much trouble.

My plan is to wait and get the game and try it out, and then think about buying upgrades. This gives me an advantage because prices of video cards and memory should drop (slightly) especially since the big video card companies are releasing their next generation cards soon.

If you know that you are going to upgrade, the video card should be your priority. ATI X700's are about $200 ish and they should be able to run the game well, but not ideally. X800's are $300+ and they are apparently very capable of running AOE with high settings. Memory is pretty cheap, so upgrading that isn't that big of a deal. 1G of memory total should last you until you buy your next computer, and 512M is still probably ok.

I'm interested in some feedback on this as well.

Argalius
Skirmisher
posted 08-23-05 01:10 PM EDT (US)     2 / 32       
Why is everybody so afraid of AoE III eventhough they got pretty good PCs, I sit here with my Celeron and Gefore 2 MX and even I don't plan to upgrade until I've tried out the game...

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aka99
Skirmisher
posted 08-23-05 01:41 PM EDT (US)     3 / 32       
Yup... I am waiting for the demo to come out to see if it works on my comp.... even though i am one hundred percent sure it wont work...

My Comp is:

Dell Dimension 4600
Intel Pentium 4 Processor 2.66 Ghz
512 RAM
and last but not least my Intel Extreme Graphics Controller... LOL

Chris27
Skirmisher
posted 08-23-05 01:51 PM EDT (US)     4 / 32       
keep in mind that dell computers are not made very upgrade friendly. Also depending on what you upgrade, windows will need to be reactivated. Since dell computers come with an oem copy of windows it technically is only licensed to run on the computer exactly how you bought it. you will need to call microsoft and hope you get a nice guy that will reactivate your copy of windows.

I would upgrade to a gig of ram and get a 6800le (they can be had for lest than $150) and many will unlock to near/better than a 6800gt and all will at least unlock to a plain 6800.

[This message has been edited by Chris27 (edited 08-23-2005 @ 01:53 PM).]

xxFlukexx
Skirmisher
posted 08-23-05 02:01 PM EDT (US)     5 / 32       
I would say your CPU should run at high settings, 1 gig should run at med-high settings, but that x300 will want low-med settings.

You should really upgrade to a better card if you want to run modern games(especially any fps or action game)

PCI-E x800s are cheap(agps are not which piss me off) You can get one for $150 before tax and shipping, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814127176

Nvidia 6600GT and 6800 are great as well for about $150-200.

The_Assimilator
Skirmisher
posted 08-23-05 02:41 PM EDT (US)     6 / 32       
I too am waiting for the demo to come out, my reasoning is, "if it'll play the demo, it'll play the game"

My system specs are as follows:

NOTE: (These are specs for a comp that was custom built for playing games with HIGH GRAPHICS)

AMD Sepron, 2800+, MMX, 3DNOW, 2.0Ghz

512 MB RAM

189 GB HARDDRIVE space.

*NVIDIA Geforce FX 5900XT. (NOT INTERGRATED)

The only thing i might have to upgrade is my vid card, but i think i'll be ok, because on the systems specs thread the type of card i use is listed as one that will run the game on mostly HIGH settings.

Please let me know what you guys think, and wether you think i need an upgrade for my comp, Thanks.

[This message has been edited by The_Assimilator (edited 08-23-2005 @ 02:47 PM).]

Echy88
Skirmisher
posted 08-23-05 02:48 PM EDT (US)     7 / 32       
Whats the difference between atg and pci-e slots. I know they have to do with what you can plug into your computer and such. I just want to make sure that I get the right card for my computer. Thanks everybody for the feedback.
justiw
Skirmisher
posted 08-23-05 03:16 PM EDT (US)     8 / 32       
go to www.dell.comand you can check what your computer components are exactly online. I think you just have to go check your previous orders details to see it.

AGP and PCI-E are the circuit board interfaces that video cards are designed with. Check which port you have, but my guess is that if you have an x300 you have PCI-E. If/when you order a new video card make sure that it has the same interface as your computer because they are not compatable.

You should google how to upgrade your video card, there is plenty of info around.

steace43
Skirmisher
posted 08-23-05 03:17 PM EDT (US)     9 / 32       
What do you think about this:
Intel pentium 4 3,0 GHz
1024 mb RAM
ATI RADEON 9800AGP 128 mb 400MHz

And if you want to upgrade, what is the BEST proccesor/grapichs card to buy (money is irrelevant, I just want to know wich cards would work best).

SoggyFrog
Skirmisher
posted 08-23-05 07:20 PM EDT (US)     10 / 32       

Quote:

My current specs are:
Dell Dimension 4700
Intel Pentium 4 3.00ghz processor
512mb Ram
Ati Radeon x300 SE


Those were my specs as I also got the 4700, I've already upgraded my RAM (that hasn't significantly changed the performance of AoE3, probably because my video card is a bit weak) and I'm planning to get a Nvidia GeForce 6800, which runs for about $200-$300 USD.

This is where it's at
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Elpea
Hal
(id: lp_usa)
posted 08-23-05 07:30 PM EDT (US)     11 / 32       
I have the 8400 and it came with a x800 which runs the game at highest as far as I know.

StR_BalinorNZ
Skirmisher
(id: AO_BalinorNZ)
posted 08-23-05 07:52 PM EDT (US)     12 / 32       

Quote:

I have the (dimention)8400 and it came with a x800 which runs the game at highest as far as I know.

Sweet! This means that a P4 3000Mhz with 512DDR400 ram and an ATI Radeon X800 XT video card will run AOE3 with max graphics .
As far as I know the Geforce 7800GT has just dropped in price and is faster than the X800 XT .


StR_BalinorNZ
Brtnboarder495
Skirmisher
posted 08-24-05 00:38 AM EDT (US)     13 / 32       
Go to dell and get the Dimension 9100 (Gauranteed to run AoE3 on all high settings lag free off and online, that is if you have fast internet too)

Pentium 4 3.0 ghz
1 GB 533 mhz memory
160 GB HD
16x DVD-ROM
Geforce 6800 256 mb PCI-16x

You can get that for ~ $1200

Of course that doesn't include extended warranty, spyware or virus protection or a great monitor (16 in viewable monitor), so use your own (if its too old invest in a new one).

I'd only buy this though if your comp is in that bad of shape, if you have a 2.8 ghz processor or higher your fine, but if it's lower you may just want to upgrade everything and buy the comp above. That's just my advice though, you can still play the game on decent settings with a lower processor, but for highest and best results your best staying above 2.8 ghz.

If you have a 2.8 ghz or higher then just upgrade the Ram to 1 gig and get a 6600GT or higher GPU.


Gameranger: _NiGhThAwK_
Echy88
Skirmisher
posted 08-24-05 00:38 AM EDT (US)     14 / 32       
Is the Geforce 7800GT a pci-express slot card? So will it be comatible with my dimension 4700.
SoggyFrog
Skirmisher
posted 08-24-05 00:49 AM EDT (US)     15 / 32       
The 4700 has a 305W power supply, which is insufficient for the 7800 (400W). If you do want to get that card, you should be prepared to make some other upgrades.

This is where it's at
Flying Purple Hippos in AoE3!
We're your friends
StR_BalinorNZ
Skirmisher
(id: AO_BalinorNZ)
posted 08-24-05 01:37 AM EDT (US)     16 / 32       

Quote:

Why is everybody so afraid of AoE III eventhough they got pretty good PCs, I sit here with my Celeron and Gefore 2 MX and even I don't plan to upgrade until I've tried out the game...

I think you mean "untill AOE3 has destroyed my computer so I have no choice but to buy a new one".

Why buy that Dell piece of crap when you could build a computer yourself for way cheaper:
(all parts from newegg.com)
250GB Harddrive $100
Athlon64 Motherboard $71
3000+ CPU $146
DVD burner $35
Geforce 7800GT $384
1024 DDR400 Ram $80
Case with 400W PSU $24
Keyboard $4.25
Optical mouse $4.06
Screen 17" $89

$937.31 USD for this computer which will kick the Dell9100's ass, the video card alone is twice as good as the one in Dell9100.


StR_BalinorNZ
Garric
Skirmisher
posted 08-24-05 02:30 AM EDT (US)     17 / 32       
I just bought this computer, it's in the mail right now:
AMD 64 3000+
7800GT OC
1 Gig of Ram
Cost me around $700. You should consider getting something similar. I hope to run this game on at least medium settings.
StR_BalinorNZ
Skirmisher
(id: AO_BalinorNZ)
posted 08-24-05 02:33 AM EDT (US)     18 / 32       

Quote:

I just bought this computer, it's in the mail right now:
AMD 64 3000+
7800GT OC
1 Gig of Ram
Cost me around $700. You should consider getting something similar. I hope to run this game on at least medium settings.

If you can't run the game on max settings with that PC, I think all of ES will be fired .
I am getting the same machine in a few months, will be interesting to see if price lowers much in that time.


StR_BalinorNZ
Brtnboarder495
Skirmisher
posted 08-24-05 11:22 AM EDT (US)     19 / 32       

Quote:

I just bought this computer, it's in the mail right now:
AMD 64 3000+
7800GT OC
1 Gig of Ram
Cost me around $700. You should consider getting something similar. I hope to run this game on at least medium settings.

IMO you should of defintely bought at least an AMD Anthlon 64 3200+ if not the 3500+. You are going to want a better processor to push that 7800GT along. Your computer is only as fast as it's weakest component.


Gameranger: _NiGhThAwK_
Brtnboarder495
Skirmisher
posted 08-24-05 11:24 AM EDT (US)     20 / 32       

Quote:

I think you mean "untill AOE3 has destroyed my computer so I have no choice but to buy a new one".

Why buy that Dell piece of crap when you could build a computer yourself for way cheaper:
(all parts from newegg.com)
250GB Harddrive $100
Athlon64 Motherboard $71
3000+ CPU $146
DVD burner $35
Geforce 7800GT $384
1024 DDR400 Ram $80
Case with 400W PSU $24
Keyboard $4.25
Optical mouse $4.06
Screen 17" $89

$937.31 USD for this computer which will kick the Dell9100's ass, the video card alone is twice as good as the one in Dell9100.

Because nearly everyone on this site even hardly knows what there GPU is, now you want them to build a computer? hah!


Gameranger: _NiGhThAwK_
Ceres629
Skirmisher
posted 08-24-05 11:48 AM EDT (US)     21 / 32       

Quote:


I just bought this computer, it's in the mail right now:
AMD 64 3000+
7800GT OC
1 Gig of Ram
Cost me around $700. You should consider getting something similar. I hope to run this game on at least medium settings.

Medium settings? LMAO.

harr
Skirmisher
posted 08-24-05 12:27 PM EDT (US)     22 / 32       

Quote:

My current specs are:
Dell Dimension 4700
Intel Pentium 4 3.00ghz processor
512mb Ram
Ati Radeon x300 SE


That's a carbon copy of my brother's computer, which I'm going to plead to use if the computer at my dad's house can't handle aoe3 (I have got a laptop, but I would have to take it to school each day if I wanted to play at both houses on it), I think I will need to aswell, I can't see my Nvidea GeForce MX 5200 taking it somehow.

I'd say the graphics card is the weakest point, then ram. You don't actually need to upgrade that, but if you want to run high settings then graphics card looks to be the first thing to change.

Chris27
Skirmisher
posted 08-24-05 12:52 PM EDT (US)     23 / 32       

Quote:

I just bought this computer, it's in the mail right now:
AMD 64 3000+
7800GT OC
1 Gig of Ram
Cost me around $700. You should consider getting something similar. I hope to run this game on at least medium settings.

IMO you should of defintely bought at least an AMD Anthlon 64 3200+ if not the 3500+. You are going to want a better processor to push that 7800GT along. Your computer is only as fast as it's weakest component.

that 3000+ should do 2.6ghz easily (the equivilent of an fx55) and anyway nowadays the graphics card is what matters most. His system is pretty well balanced.

and btw don't get a dell. you can get a lot more bang for the buck and quality by building your own. It isn't very hard either.

Quote:

Because nearly everyone on this site even hardly knows what there GPU is, now you want them to build a computer? hah!

building a computer is VERY EASY. just read up about what hardware best suits your needs at sites such as

http://discuss.futuremark.com

www.xtremesystems.org/forums

www.anandtech.com (good reviews but forums not so great)

After you have done some reading up and have a general idea of what to get people there will be happy to help you. Once you get the parts it should only take like 30 minutes to put the computer together.

[This message has been edited by Chris27 (edited 08-24-2005 @ 01:01 PM).]

ES_DeathShrimp
VIP
posted 08-24-05 06:04 PM EDT (US)     24 / 32       
I'm not going to comment on min specs or specific hardware requirments yet, but if you have a little bit of money to spend, you will get a lot of benefit from more RAM. Our games are very memory intensive.

If you have more money to spend, you can get a new graphics card. The more recent cards will get you a better looking game, and you will see some performance improvement if you have lots of RAM (in this case, both main and video).

If you are willing to break the bank, then a new CPU will only help, but AOE3 is often more memory or graphics limited than say a shooter, which might improve a lot with a new CPU. A gig of RAM and a 1.7 CPU may be better than 512 RAM and a 2+ CPU.

But they don't keep me around here for my technical proficiency, so don't treat that as gospel.

fhertlein
Skirmisher
posted 08-24-05 06:46 PM EDT (US)     25 / 32       
Get at least a gig of RAM first. If that works for you then don't worry about the video card.

Otherwise, if you also want more eye-candy, then research video cards. If you are willing to wait a bit, see what happens to the prices when ATI finally gets their R520 cards on the market.

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