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TheGoodEvil
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posted 01-01-06 08:02 PM EDT (US)         
NEVER EVER EVER think that hiding your cav archers behind a wall will protect you from a cuirassier attack

When the cuirassier does siege damage it also does splash damage to your units... and the damage doesn't seem to be effected by resists

I am not sure if that is the case but damn... that is retarded (i still won though :P go cav archers 4tw!)

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Alex898
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posted 01-02-06 02:32 PM EDT (US)     51 / 68       
You're all wrong. We all know Christopher Colombus was Black.

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doitzelkaiseriii
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posted 01-02-06 02:48 PM EDT (US)     52 / 68       
I must really suck, because even as the French with Cuirassiers I still tend to do poorly. =/

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Birdy4Birds
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posted 01-02-06 02:57 PM EDT (US)     53 / 68       
I remembr hearing that curs are slow-try using something anti-calvalry (for goons and cav archers) and some cannons (for anti-calv infantry) mixed in.

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TheGoodEvil
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posted 01-02-06 03:24 PM EDT (US)     54 / 68       
cuirs are not very slow

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schildpad
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posted 01-02-06 03:26 PM EDT (US)     55 / 68       
courassier pwn anti cav in large groups

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Birdy4Birds
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posted 01-02-06 03:27 PM EDT (US)     56 / 68       
I did hear you can counter them with goons, cav archers, and black riders.

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schildpad
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posted 01-02-06 04:23 PM EDT (US)     57 / 68       
massing black riders is hard (impossible)
due to the splash damage they also pwn goons and cav archers when there are many cuirassier

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TheGoodEvil
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posted 01-02-06 04:30 PM EDT (US)     58 / 68       
Cav archers will beat cuirs, they are the only anticav that doesn't need a HUGE amount of micro to kill the cuir. it's the 30% melee resist and the fact you can mass them.

Black riders would be great anti cuir units but cuirs can simply swamp the black riders, you can only micro your black riders for so long until you start to need to micro elsewhere...

So solving something by microing better is only part of the solution because a very determined player can keep those cuirs pressing your black riders to the point you have to eventually take your eys off them or risk being attacked elsewhere, once your riders are gone then what.... Dragoons? Ruyters? I'm sorry but the sheer amountof goons and ruyters it takes to fend off a mass cuir attack is something no one can micro... killing 20 cuirs is simple with micro... killing 40-50 is NOT simple and in most cases poor pathing will result in cuirs killing you WAY faster than you can kill them.

And don't bring your goons in confined spaces like trying to defend your city, then cuirs WILL get to them easily and smite them with great vengence and furious anger.

40 1000hp cuirs with 70 attack is NOT something a dragoon force can stop... even with a meat shield.

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Clam_Knight
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posted 01-02-06 04:35 PM EDT (US)     59 / 68       
-It seems that the biggest problem is that they have that splash damage thing going on...it's like they're always in trample mode, but don't suffer from any of the side-effects. They should just take away the spalsh damage. Because, if you think about it...the Doppelsoldners have their 'sweep' attack which damages multiple units, but has fairly low attack. Compared to the Cuirassier, which has a massive attack and the area damage...

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TheGoodEvil
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posted 01-02-06 04:45 PM EDT (US)     60 / 68       
Well the problem with micro is ranged volleys don't seem to slow units down where as melee attacks DO slow units down, so cuirs have a built in mechanism to slow dragoons down, all that needs to happen is 1 lone cuir hit a dragoon and it will slow the whole pack down enough for the rest of the cuirs to hit the goons... then is over...

I played a game the other night where a huge pack of goons tried to bump and run a pack of 35-40 cuirs... 1 dragoon got caught in a tree got hit by a cuir and slowed all goons near it down... then it was just massacr... I mean the frenchie lost 2 cuirs and the brit lost every last goon he had... he had at least 50 FU goons at like 450hp vs the 1000hp cuirs... no math on earth will allow the goons to win :P even at 2 shots from goons per 1 shot of a cuir the goon will lose...

Now let a pack of ruyters get hit by curs ROFL they die in like 2 swipes... 150 ruyters gone in 20 seconds... LOL There was a forum game where Adder sent in a massive amount of cuirs and just destroyed like 100 ruyters... the dutch player tried to micro but once he ran out of open space and ran into his own town he couldn't get away from the cuirs... a pure cuir army destroyed 3 players armies of anticav... wow I was shocked :s I still feel bad for the other team because they were winning until Team adder came in with his cuirs LOL

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Birdy4Birds
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posted 01-02-06 06:04 PM EDT (US)     61 / 68       
That would be fun(ny) to see-can you post the link?

And i thought that you microed with a SMALL group of units, NOT fifty of them (I am pretty sure that's called marco)


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Philbo1
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posted 01-02-06 09:55 PM EDT (US)     62 / 68       
OK people lets face it: Cuirsa have absolutely no counter whatsoever. A force of 40 Cuirs can wipe any army whatsoever straight off the map. And I mean instantly. I note that RoN was much MUCH better balancedd than AoE3 even without the team of playtesters constantly at work. ES seems to be slipping, albeit slowly, toward lame games.

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TheGoodEvil
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posted 01-02-06 10:02 PM EDT (US)     63 / 68       
BHG had El_Capitan and Nydar and Microslave and like the best freakin dream team imaginable :P

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Insane Sheep
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posted 01-02-06 10:51 PM EDT (US)     64 / 68       
I celebrated when I killed a Cuirassier with Musketeers in Ag2. I think I killed about 5 in total... (note I normally would not be fighting Cuirs like that, but I entered a suicide game (two high-level frenchies, on Great Plains, with a newb ally))

Cuirs are nasty.


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Alex898
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posted 01-02-06 11:45 PM EDT (US)     65 / 68       
40 Cuirs vs. a line of 10 Ronin and a bunch of Jinete Dragoons behind them = Best Counter (I love you ports!)

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ngchunghin
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posted 01-03-06 00:15 AM EDT (US)     66 / 68       
I think swiss pikeman can counter cuirassier.

Hand damage: 22 (x5 vs cavalry)= 110

They can kill hussar with extremely fast speed.
I think it might be useful.

Btw, I usually call them to attack buikldings becoz they have decent siege attack.

flying_red_hippo
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posted 01-03-06 06:49 AM EDT (US)     67 / 68       
I want friendy fire splash:-). Imagine the curs just trampling themselves to death. And then we then open up with cannon to take out your pikes they kill the curs who then ride back and slaughter their own cannon for attacking them. Then when your cannon open fire all of your own pikemen die and then I come and and destroy what remains of you 2!(I wish:P)

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Iwanus
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posted 01-03-06 09:42 AM EDT (US)     68 / 68       
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Cuirassiers are like.. some sort of ogre riding an elephant. They wear titanium armor, and have a force field as well. And now, they throw grenades...


Ceres, you forgot that they are nuclear powered!


Damn! The game is going to end in everybody french massing currasiers!!! NOOOOOOOOOo!!!! 11

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