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Jargobae
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posted 04-13-06 10:58 AM EDT (US)   
Complete list of balance changes for 1.o6

Unit and building changes:

·Exported HCAdvancedMarket fix.
·MercenaryLoyaltyGerman removed effect that lowers wallenstein contracts price.
·Yeomen - Added +4 maximum range to longbowman stagger and defend attacks.
·Cav archer cost changed from 45f 115g to 100f 60g
·Cavalry Archers, Dragoons, War Wagons, Manchu, BlackRider, ·Commanchee Horse Archer now get 2.0x damage vs abstract artillery
·Conquistador card now improves wardogs attack and hitpoints 20% instead of increasing limit. Changed rollover help.
·British start with +1 food crate
·Germans now start with 3 settler wagons and no settlers
·Spanish start with -1 settler
·Rocket no longer deals negative damage to cavalry or cannons
·Rocket’s bonus vs ships increased to 3
·Rocket LOS +2
·Fixed display count for cards effected from 1.05 changes (sheep, cows, etc) in SPC homecities.
·Longbowman autoattack range increased to 20

Home City army shipment cards:

·Spanish Pikemen4 (age3) change from 14 to 12
·Spanish Redoleros4 (age3) change from 10 to 9
·Spanish Lancer (age3) change from 6 to 5
·Spanish Lancer (age4) change from 5 to 6
·Mortar1 change from 1 to 2
·Mortar1German change from 1 to 2
·Mortar2 change from 2 to 3
·Mortar2German change from 2 to 3
·British longbows3 (age4) change from 13 to 15
·British longbows4 (age3) change from 11 to 10
·Musketeer4 (age3) change from 11 to 9
·Musketeer3 (age4) change from 13 to 14
·MusketeerRussian3 (age4) change from 17 to 16
·Grenadier2 (age4) change from 5 to 7
·Grenadier3 (age3) change from 6 to 5
·Skirmishers2 (age4) change from 8 to 9
·Skirmishers2German (age4) change from 8 to 9
·Skirmishers3 (age3) change from 9 to 8
·Skirmishers3German (age3) change from 9 to 8
·Skirmishers4 (age4) change from 11 to 12
·Skirmishers4German (age4) change from 11 to 12
·Dragoons2 (age4) change from 5 to 6
·Dragoons3 (age3) change from 6 to 5
·Dragoons4 (age4) change from 7 to 8
·Cuirassiers2 (age4) change from 3 to 4
·Cuirassiers3 (age3) change from 4 to 3
·Halberdiers2 (age4) change from 8 to 10
·Halberdiers3 (age3) change from 9 to 8
·HalberdierRussian2 (age4) change from 12 to 13
·HalberdierRussian3 (age4) change from 13 to 15
·Cassadore2 (age4) change from 8 to 10
·Cassadore3 (age3) change from 9 to 8
·Cassadore4 (age4) change from 11 to 12
·Organ Gun1 (age3) change from 3 to 2
·Organ Gun2 (age4) change from 4 to 3
·Portugese Expeditionary Force (age4) change dragoons from 4 to 6
·Changed rollover help as well
·Dutch Ruyters2 change from 9 to 11
·Dutch Ruyters3 change from 10 to 9
·Dutch Ruyters4 change from 12 to 13
·Russian Strelet3 change from 22 to 24
·Russian Cossack3 (age4) change from 8 to 9
·Cav Archer1 (age3) change from 4 to 5
·Cav Archer2 (age4 change from 6 to 8
·Cav Archer3 (age4) change from 8 to 9
·Crossbowman3German change from 8 to 9
·Winged Hussars (age4) change from 13 to 12
·Changed rollover help as well
·Ottoman Janissaries3 change from 10 to 11
·Ottoman Abus Guns2 change from 7 to 8
·Ottoman Artillery division change from 8 grenadiers to 6
·Changed rollover help as well

Mercenary card changes:

·HCMercsBlackRiders changed cost to 1000
·HCMercsBlackRiders changed from 8 to 7
·HCMercsBlckRIdersGermans changed cost to 1000
·HCMercsBlackRidersGermans changed from 10 to 9
·HCMercsCorsairs changed cost to 1000
·HCMercsCorsairs changed from 11 to 9
·HCMercsHackapells changed cost to 1000
·HCMercsHackapells changed from 7 to 6
·HCMercsHackapellsGermans changed cost to 1000
·HCMercsHackapellsGermans changed from 9 to 8
·HCMercsHessians (jaegers) changed cost to 1000
·HCMercsHessians changed from 12 to 10
·HCMercsHessians2 (british) changed from 15 to 13. Cost unchanged.
·HCMercsHessiansGermans changed cost to 1000
·HCMercsHessiansGermans changed from 14 to 13
·HCMercsHighlandGermans changed swiss pikemen from 9 to 8
·HCMercsHighlanders changed cost to 1000
·HCMercsighlanders changed from 11 to 9
·HCMercsHolyRoman changed landsnekt from 5 to 4
·HCMercsLandsknecht changed cost to 1000
·HCMercsLandsknecht2 changed from 9 to 8
·HCMercsLandsknecht2Germans changed cost to 1000
·HCMercsLandsknecht2Germans changed from 11 to 10
·HCMercsMamalukes changed cost to 1000
·HCMercsManchu changed cost to 1000
·HCMercsManchu changed from 10 to 9
·HCMercsMediterranean changed mamaluke from 4 to 3, corsairs from 10 to 6
·HCMercsMediteraneanGerman changed corsairs from 10 to 7, stradiots from 5 to 4
·HCMercsRonin changed cost to 1000
·HCMercsStradiots changed cost to 1000
·HCMercsStradiots changed from 7 to 6
·HCMercSwissPikemen changed cost to 1000
·HCMercSwissPikemen changed from 13 to 12
·Changed Privateer kill bounty from 150xp to 50xp

Politician changes:

·SergeantDutch changed from 6 halberdiers to 5
·SergeantGerman changed from 4 dopplesoldners to 3
·SergeantSpanish changed from 10 pikemen to 8
·Marksman changed from 7 skirmishers to 6
·MarksmanPortugese changed from 7 cassadores to 6
·MarksmanOttoman changed from 5 abus guns to 4

NEW FEATURES

* Chat Member List can now be sorted by Clan Name
* Added server maintenance notification that will display when the servers are down

CLIENT FIXES

* Added checking that prevents players from joining game rooms which are in a bad state and can not launch, fixing the source of a crash
* Several Home City Card tooltip updates
* Hispaniola water flags and whale placement fixed
* Hispaniola now displays correct thumbnail
* Sonora herds now balanced for both sides of the map
* Advanced Market Card effects now get applied when shipped
* Fixed 'This game is not rated' message that was popping up in rated games
* Number on Home City Cards now displays the correct number of units to be sent
* All ranged cavalry units now do double damage vs. artillery
* Mercenary shipments now cost 1000g and have fewer units
* Military shipments from the homecity decreased for 3rd age shipments and increased for 4th age shipments
* Numerous balance changes

NETWORK AND ESO FIXES

* Quick Search now displays the correct number players during search
* Custom Games List sorting fixed for sorting by Rank
* Fixed exploit that allowed more then 20 cards in ESO decksustom game setup now shows if a game is rated, not rated, no XP

As per MBob's suggestion i edited in the other changes to stay true to the threads title

Babbled's Rules of AOE

1) As Spanish never play against Ottomans
2) As Ottomans never play against the Portugese
3) As Portugese never play against the Spanish
4) Never play against the Germans

[This message has been edited by Jargobae (edited 04-13-2006 @ 12:13 PM).]

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MNBob
Skirmisher
posted 04-13-06 11:07 AM EDT (US)     1 / 108  
These are only the balance changes. Complete patch notes haven't been posted yet.
Abus Guns and Grenadiers ARE NOT ARTILLERY!
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ChowMein
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posted 04-13-06 11:13 AM EDT (US)     2 / 108  
Yay!

- Now Germans starts looks bad(3 SW instead of settler).

- 4 cuirs to 3 WTF! At least Spain and German get nerfed.

- -1 settler Spain YAY!

- Ruyter,Dragoon,WW... do 2.0 dam to abstract artillery(whats abstract artellery? Abus Gun?)

- Mamelukes and Ronin cost to 1000G YAY they look more usable now.

- -1 BR and Mandchu YAY!

- Rocket boosted!

- Longbow boosted!

- -2 Highlander YAY!

Results:

- Fortress unit(normal and mercs) card got badly nerfed = Weaker FF but still viable.

- FF+Mercs = Weakened.

- Spain and Germany got a slower start = Weaker early games and FF.

- I will be able to play French, Dutch and British without being WTFPWNED by Spain or Germans OP FF.


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Beatnik Joe
Skirmisher
posted 04-13-06 11:17 AM EDT (US)     3 / 108  
Thanks for the info! How did you get your hands on this? (So early, I mean.)

[This message has been edited by Beatnik Joe (edited 04-13-2006 @ 11:17 AM).]

MNBob
Skirmisher
posted 04-13-06 11:18 AM EDT (US)     4 / 108  
As I posted in the other thread (which was supposed to be the 1.06 thread), ES_SOLUS posted this list at agecommunity.com
Abus Guns and Grenadiers ARE NOT ARTILLERY!
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MNBob
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posted 04-13-06 11:19 AM EDT (US)     5 / 108  

Quote:

- Ruyter,Dragoon,WW... do 2.0 dam to abstract artillery(whats abstract artellery? Abus Gun?)

Abstract artillery includes Falconets, Culverins, Heavy Cannons, Rockets and Organ Guns.

Abus Guns and Grenadiers ARE NOT ARTILLERY!
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justiw
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posted 04-13-06 11:34 AM EDT (US)     6 / 108  

Quote:

·Cavalry Archers, Dragoons, War Wagons, Manchu, BlackRider, ·Commanchee Horse Archer now get 2.0x damage vs abstract artillery

This is really the only thing I don't like about this patch. Now every Light Cav unit is almost exactly like a Ruyter. These units will probably become OP now (yeah, I know BR were always OP). Hussars and other heavy cav will become completely obsolete after this patch.

Post 1.06 why train a heavy cav?
1. People will be more likely to have lots of light cav so the heavy cav will be countered.
2. You don't need heavy cav to take out artillery anymore because light cav will do it so well.
3. The only real usefulness of heavy cav now is raiding and killing massed LI.
4. Light cav can do both of those jobs effectively so what is the point of training heavy cav?

Any comments?

EDIT: Go Brits!!! I predict the brits will be the new strongest civ, but not by much. I think there will be excellent civ balance after this patch.

Counter the attack, then Counter Attack!!!

[This message has been edited by justiw (edited 04-13-2006 @ 11:38 AM).]

ChowMein
Skirmisher
posted 04-13-06 11:37 AM EDT (US)     7 / 108  
Agreed ^

Thats the stupid thing on that patch. WW is the new OP unit, about 150 attack to cannon o_O

EDIT: I think French will become more stronger than 1.05 but less than 1.04. Because they still got -1 CdB but Spain and Germany got badly nerfed and France > Spain and Germany in colonial with those amazing native.


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[This message has been edited by ChowMein (edited 04-13-2006 @ 11:41 AM).]

yamrak
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posted 04-13-06 11:46 AM EDT (US)     8 / 108  
Russian was greatly boosted indirectly in this patch. Cavalry archers will be a great asset now when playing, since they can take out both heavy cavalry and cannons. Now, the usage of Cossacks will be limited for raiding.

Another interesting boost is that age3 cards that were lowered for most civilizations were not touched for the Russians. This will keep the same value of units. And they did get most of their age4 military shipments improved.

I am seeing a more balanced game now. From the patch notes, Spain, Germany, France, British, Turkey, Portugal, Russians and Dutch are more similar now.

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Shizzle
Skirmisher
posted 04-13-06 12:07 PM EDT (US)     9 / 108  
ww only deal 21 damage to falcs in the new patch....
DOnt forget the 75% resistance.
Mokon
Skirmisher
posted 04-13-06 12:09 PM EDT (US)     10 / 108  
Overall I like it. I still think the FF will be a little bit to powerful, but before I play it i will withold my judgement. I guess as long as they are willing to patch quickly it is better to undernerf it than overnerf it.
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    • superdroideka
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    posted 04-13-06 12:49 PM EDT (US)     11 / 108  
    Seems good, I was wondering how they would nerf the FF.
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    jaafit
    Skirmisher
    posted 04-13-06 01:05 PM EDT (US)     12 / 108  
    I'm confused about this one:

    Military shipments from the homecity decreased for 3rd age shipments and increased for 4th age shipments

    But in the itemized list it says the exact opposite:

    *HCMercsHolyRoman changed landsnekt from 5 to 4
    *HCMercsMediterranean changed mamaluke from 4 to 3, corsairs from 10 to 6
    *HCMercsMediteraneanGerman changed corsairs from 10 to 7, stradiots from 5 to 4

    agecommunity quote of the month Ok i have payed for this game for al my moneythat i get in a month so when i go online isee these 9 year old kids that beat me that have played for 2 weeks and i have played since release of vanilla so im pretty pissed of that es dosent want to do anything about the balance of the game.
    Birddrz
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    posted 04-13-06 01:05 PM EDT (US)     13 / 108  
    My Brits are getting more powerful I might start using longbows more now too
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    posted 04-13-06 01:34 PM EDT (US)     14 / 108  

    Quote:

    ·Organ Gun1 (age3) change from 3 to 2

    WTF? Are they saying that 2 organ guns are equal to 2 falconets?

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    posted 04-13-06 01:45 PM EDT (US)     15 / 108  
    Overall this patch pwns aside from the organ guns.

    Finally, longbows, cav archers, and rockets are worth building.

    I found it interesting how ES specificaly responded to the complaint about the winged hussars.

    Other than that, good patch all around.

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    posted 04-13-06 01:50 PM EDT (US)     16 / 108  
    not all civs have 2 falc shipment, so why should port have one?
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    dejanh
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    posted 04-13-06 02:59 PM EDT (US)     17 / 108  
    Anyone know, does quick search now match by close power rating? It was kind of useless without it...

    EDIT: I guess I answered my own question, no, I just got matched against a colonel and I'm a captain...

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    ultimitsu
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    posted 04-13-06 03:04 PM EDT (US)     18 / 108  
    organ gun got nerfed because you see everything else now worth 800~1000 now, wheres before they worth 1000~1200(whose that people actually use)

    2 organ guns is enough to beat 9 rods.

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    posted 04-13-06 03:30 PM EDT (US)     19 / 108  
    This patch was totally unexpected 4 me, i didnt expect so many balance changes.

    -1 settler for Spain sucks, they def are alot worse now, considering german still get 4 settler (2 wagon) shipment in age 1 and 6 in age 2, where as Spain still gets 3 and 5 respectively.

    Im tottally syked about British improvements, the Longbow will see MUCH more action now, and alot of peopel will start to pick Britian becuz of thier late game Rockets! (now are almost as good as HC)

    I also dont liek the light cav bonus to artillery. I dont think it will have that much effect tho, becuz Light ranged cav usually have little attack, plus cannon still got 75% range resist, so Heavy Cav will still always kill artillery better.

    I think best civs are DRASTICALLY going to change, tho for the better. Without even playing 1.06 i think its gonna kinda look like this.

    German
    French
    British
    Russian
    Spanish
    Port
    Otto
    Dutch

    could be a little different but will be interesting indeed!

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    schildpad
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    posted 04-13-06 03:46 PM EDT (US)     20 / 108  
    spanish were OP, they deserved a nerf


    otto should be higher in your list
    port should be higher

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    ub3r
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    posted 04-13-06 03:50 PM EDT (US)     21 / 108  
    Hrm..

    I was thinking that also schil, but where am i gonan put France and Spain lol?

    lets see how about..

    Germany
    French
    British
    Otto
    Port
    Russian
    Spain
    Dutch

    ??

    Very close tho... its kinda hard to make a best to worse civ list, this is good news!

    EDIT: French has to be somewhere near the top of the list. Germany and Spain both lost a villie, which puts them back on course with France, who was better in 1.04 IMO.

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    [This message has been edited by ub3r (edited 04-13-2006 @ 03:51 PM).]

    schildpad
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    posted 04-13-06 03:58 PM EDT (US)     22 / 108  
    i think dutch is in right place at least
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    N_E_Patriots
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    posted 04-13-06 03:59 PM EDT (US)     23 / 108  
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    posted 04-13-06 04:00 PM EDT (US)     24 / 108  
    One thing is for sure.

    germany is #1

    dutch is in the basement

    everything in the middle can be debated, which is a very good thing, were closer to being balanced.

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    schildpad
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    posted 04-13-06 04:01 PM EDT (US)     25 / 108  
    it is hard to tell now. Maybe brittish are op now, hard to tell. But i think germ 1, dutch 8
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