PredatoR_TR
Skirmisher
posted 10-27-07 02:29 PM EDT (US)
Hi friends. AOE3 has been released 2 years ago and i know it is a bit late but I just want to correct you about Cavalry Archers.
As you know, only The Ottomans and Russia have them. However Cavalry Archers of Russia is stronger than cavalry archers of The Ottomans. ( + 27 HP, +1 siege attack, +1 range attack) Cavalry Archers of The Ottomans named as Cavalry Archer and Russian ones named as Tartar Loyalist.
Firstly, where 'does the name of '' Tartar '' come from. It comes from Crimea. what is Tartar? actually they are TATAR, not Tartar. lots of name are wrong in AOE3 like Spahi (Orginally Sipahi),
Baratcu (orginally Barutcu or Barutçu), etc. TATARS are one of Turk race since the history of Turks knew. Firstly, they lived in Middle Asia, then immigrate to the west and land to Crimea. From Seljuks, Golden Horde to the Ottomans, Crimea belonged to the Turks. From 15. century until end of 19. century, Crimea belonged to the Ottomans. Tatars have been living in Crimea and they have been Muslim.
Soldier of Tatars were used by The Ottomans and they had been loyal to the Ottomans because same races never betray each other and also they are Muslim.
As all history lovers know, for Turks, horse have been holy animal and the best weapon that Turks have used is ARCHER. while riding a horse, even hitting a small bird is piece a cake for the Turk archers.
As i mentioned, even if the period of game and realism say us that TATARS are Turk and belong to The Ottomans, why have Tatar archers given to Russians, i really cant find a logic.
Eicho
Skirmisher
posted 10-27-07 03:14 PM
EDT (US)
2 / 49
You are complaining because Tartar Loyalist are Russian in this game and not Ottomans?
Thats minor, if you complain about that, why dont complain about Ottoman never went to America?
Germany never 'revolted' into Argentina..
There where no Mayans when Europeans arrived...
GamePlay > History, and much more in a little special case about names and this one.
Think of Russia archers and Cav Archers, and Ottoman ones as Tartars, okay? then we will all be ok.
PredatoR_TR
Skirmisher
posted 10-27-07 04:38 PM
EDT (US)
5 / 49
Micky_Tee
do you have a jealousy to The Ottomans? you can be polite a bit. If you dont know about this topic, just dont write unnecessary sentences...
PredatoR_TR
Skirmisher
posted 10-27-07 06:16 PM
EDT (US)
13 / 49
to Cheesewiz
''I know russian language if you want to talk'' i said in russian. there is no problem i think?
Ottos didnt colonize but they went to America. Look map of Piri Reis.
Just it is a very big mistake that is in aoe3. actually i dont use cavalry archer generally. sometimes i dont use at all.
to George_UK
even you dont know that I am Turk, Russian or Tatar or from any other countries, so before judging, do think twice.
John GrahamLeigh
Skirmisher
posted 10-27-07 06:30 PM
EDT (US)
16 / 49
As others have said, there are many things wrong with AoE3 as history. But this isn't one of them.
The Crimean Tartars (or Tatars) were a mix of Asiatic peoples including Mongols and Turks - a remnant of the Mongol Golden Horde which once ruled all of Russia and much of Central Asia. The Crimean Khanate was a vassal of the Ottoman Sultanate from 1475, and for the next three centuries Crimean Tartar troops formed an important part of the Ottoman army. So far, so good.
But there were many other "Tartar" peoples, in parts of Central Asia which the Russians conquered. The rest of the Golden Horde Khanate was conquered by Russia during the 16th century, and Tartar troops served in Russian armies throughout the AoE3 period. So the Russians are perfectly entitled to use Tartar cavalry archers. More so than the Ottomans, as the Russians detached the Crimean Khanate from the Ottomans in 1774 and then annexed the Crimea in 1783; after that, Crimean troops would be found only in Russian armies.
As for the Turks never fighting one another... how do you suppose Osman Beg and his descendants unified the minor states of Anatolia? By conquering them, of course. Then they subdued the Mamluks (also Turkish). The closest they came to being destroyed was in 1402 at the hands of the mighty Timur, another Turk from Central Asia. Meanwhile the Turks (or Turkmen) of Central Asia were constantly fighting one another until the Russians conquered them; after that they fought for the Russians, often against their Ottoman distant relatives.
It's also pretty difficult to say exactly who was a "Turk", a word not much used by the Ottomans who prided themselves on ruling a cosmopolitan empire. Many prominent Ottomans were actually Albanians (Ali Pasha of Janina, Mehmet Ali of Egypt); others were renegade Europeans who were said by their former compatriots to have "turned Turk".
Gomezd
Skirmisher
posted 10-28-07 01:07 AM
EDT (US)
23 / 49
Who are you to think that the guy has no right to express his thoughts or opinions on an open forum like this?
Who are you to tell anyone what they can and cant post about? I thought only admins could do that.