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Topic Subject: Rise of Istanbul: A Guide to the Ottomans
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posted 01-18-07 08:00 PM EDT (US)   
NOTE: This is only the partial version, as I don't have 5 hours to type tonight. The rest will be added tomorrow evening.

I've been hesitant to post something like this, seeing as I really don't want a bunch of otto players polluting QS (nor does anyone else for that matter, meh) but since so many people have been asking me questions anyways I thought I might as well just put it all in formal writing. So without further concern....

The Art of the Ottoman

Though one could argue that I only have ~170 games of experience with ottos, they have been some of the most educational games I've played. Each game taught me something new, and my goal here is to pass on that knowledge to you.

For starters, I have to give credit to a few people for either inspiration or just flat out me stealing their strats. So a big thanks to Blender_Fjord (Ender_Ward), Larkyboof (he probably has no idea why, but he'll find out!}, and all the people who I have been owned by for giving me insights about the Ottoman way!

Ok, enough with the formalities, lets get to the point here.

Overview of the Ottomans

I'm sure everyone knows by now that ES' initial description of their strategic capabilities are, to be lenient, retarded. They are by no means meant to be boomers, but show massive potential in the early game. So, naturally, we must find ways to capitalize on this advantage. Fortunately for all of us Ottoman players, there have been many strategies already written that we can take advantage of in our campaign for victory which already show excellent ways to (ab)use otto's early game capabilities. Examples you are all aware of are the classic one TP jan + abus rush and the IOR, or Silk Road Rush. However, these are very general and do not effectively outline the very minor plays that make ottomans so great. Here, I will delve into the very core of the ottoman empire, and provide more detail to their strategies than anyone else has done before!

Get ready for a really friggin long post.


I think we can go straight for the specific strategies this time, as that's what most people are reading this for anyways.

Ottoman Strategies

Most ottoman strategies revolve around the basic principle of rushing. Whether it be no TP, silk road, 1 TP, jan rush, jan + abus rush, abus rush, you name it, they all revolve around attacking the opponent at some point in the early colonial age. Yet each strategy has its subtleties that make them unique from each other, and each has a special purpose meant to take advantage of an opponent's weaknesses. As such, one's strategy must be chosen carefully as to provide the greatest means of success in a given game. Lets start with the basics:

The Janissary Rush

This is by far the easiest rush any ottoman can perform, as it involves only one unit: the janissary. This is most effectively used vs spain and iroquois, as they both lack the ability to create decent amounts of counter-HI early game to stop it.

The Build Order

(Standard) Discovery:

-3 vills unpack crates, 3 vills to hunts
-Build one TP with your explorer
-Build one house
-All vills to hunts
-3 Settlers as first card
-Age up with the quartermaster between 2:10 and 2:30

Transition-Discovery to Colonial:

-4 vills to gold, 9 on hunts
-Send 2 vills forward to some hunts near your opponent's base.
-TC waypoint remains on food

Colonial:

-2 or 3 vills unpack wood crates
-Build forward rax
-Build 2 houses
-Ship 5 Janissaries
*All of this should occur within 8 seconds of reaching colonial. If you cannot do this, practice. Preffered is less than 5 seconds.
-Queue 5 jans at rax

4:30

-Time Delay (cue 24 clock ticker)-

5:15

-First 10 jans are grouped at enemies base with 5 more on the way. Commense harrassment process. Knock down houses, military buildings, vills, the works.
-Second colonial shipment is 700 food
-Reinforcements have just arrived. Go kill stuff.

*Possible scenarios:

I will assume you are doing this against spain or iroquois, since those are the civs against which this strat is suggested. Against spain, he has reached colonial and his 700 gold shipment has arrived. Your goal is to keep him off food as long as possible and keep him off that gold shipment. The only way he's getting those crates is if he calls MM, in which case you run to your base like a coward for 20 seconds then come back in guns blazing. You should be able to keep a constant flow of janissaries for a good amount of time. Odds are, you'll kill him before he reaches fortress. However, every once in a while your opponent will be smart and time his MM to match his 2 outpost shipment, in which case killing the outposts is a priority, even if it means taking a few rounds from minute men. Once those outposts go up, its that much harder to crack his defenses.

When playing vs a spanish FF, your best course of action is to go for his TC immediately. Don't screw around with houses and starting outpost, just ignore them and siege his TC from the get-go. In doing so, you WILL kill it before his first fortress shipment can arrive, and jans are quite capable of taking a few extra damage points from an outpost. Chances of success: excellent

Now what if he rod + musket rushes? In this case, go for his rax first. Hit and run is your best friend in this match. If you ever see your reloading animation, work harder. Just keep shooting and scooting from his rods and you will wither him down to nothing. Remember to shoot wardogs first, as they do massive damage if left unchecked.

So what about iroquois? Supposing they FF, all you need to worry about is keeping him off of food. He can't have resources for age up until 5:50 at the earliest, so if you can starve him of food (really easy on maps without berries) you are golden. The same rule with building targets for Spain applies here as well. Go for the TC first, war huts later. If you can kill his TC before he hits fort, the game is done. If he does manage to get to fortress, you should have an ample supply of abus guns ready to smash some forest prowlers on command, as you will hopefully have delayed his fortress time quite a bit. In this case, shipment order usually runs 3 vills, 5 jans, 700 food, 600 food, 700 wood, 700 gold. The wood is used for a foundry and housing, while the gold will power out abus guns for prowlers.

Eh, so much for basics huh?

The Silk Road Rush

Though there are many versions of this rush, I really only use one. I find it works best against Aztecs, British, and germans. I know, you're all thinking "But what about French/Dutch/Ports/Russians???" Well, there are different options there, though against ports and dutch one could argue that it's the same start with a different colonial agenda. They do use the same build order nonetheless. As for russia and france, you shall see.

Discovery:

(Standard)

Transition-Discovery to Colonial:

-Move 2 vills to gold, 3 to wood, and the rest stay on food
-Set TC waypoint to gold
-Send 2 vills forward (*Not vs Aztecs)

Colonial:

-Collect age up wood crates
-Research Stagecoach
-Build a forward rax
-Ship Silk Road
-Build 2 houses
*Again, this should all happen relatively quickly. Do anything you can to improve your times here.
-Queue 5 jans at rax
-Once you have 4 miners, set TC waypoint to food
-Ship 700 wood
-Queue another 5 jans

The stagecoach upgrade should be completed by now. Set your TP to Food. By this time you should also have 10 janissaries. If your opponent is being aggressive, do your best to keep the jans alive. Vs an aztec opponent, just sit tight in your base for a little while as you establish your economy. When facing brits and germans, raid and tear down buildings with your forces. These two civs are the easiest you will play against, so no worries really.

-700(910) wood arrives, collect it
-Build a foundry *FIRST
-Build 1-2 TPs, depending on the map. Set two to gold and one to food, or just one on gold if map has 2 accessible TPs.
-Build houses

Now the fun starts. With your foundry, start pumping abus guns and continue jan production at your rax. If opponent is aztec, he has a MAJOR wave attacking you now, usually consisting of 9 jag warriors, 19 macehualtin, followed by 6 jaguar pets pretty soon. They will most likely be targeting your TPs, as they can't find your forward base (you dont have one, haha). This is where you need to trust your micro. You have roughly 13-15 jans, and 5 abus on the way. Stall with your jans until the abus arrive, and when they do, wreak utter destruction upon his forces. 2 Abus guns kill a macehualtin in one shot, and you can use your entire force as a hit and run machine to slowly but surely obliterate his army. Don't fret if you only have 1 TP now, as that is still enough to support you for the next few minutes. Continue abus and jan production until your opponent is wiped out.

If they use coyotes and maces instead of the usual jaguar rush, its actually a bit easier to win. Jans in melee own coyotes and totally rape maces. Just keep your abus alive and you'll do fine.

Against brits and germany, your jans are hard enough to keep up with, let alone the sudden abus gun influx. I know its lame, but you pretty much get a freebie win here.

Basic Shipment Order: 3 vills, silk road, 700 wood, 700 gold, 700 food.


So now we've covered two kinds of rushes, but what about the other civs? What do we do against russia and dutch with their pesky skirms in colonial? Here's and idea....let's not fight them in colonial!

The Spahi Fast Fortress

You all know about the spahi fast fortress. It's been around for ages, but it has its (limited) uses. Our main target here is russia, as they have no effective counter to spahi in colonial, and with their slowed colonial time they make a perfect civ to assassinate with this.

The Build Order:

Discovery:

(Standard)

Transition-Discovery to Colonial:

-4 vills to gold (3 if 100 gold start), rest on food

Colonial:

-Collect age up wood
-Ship 700 gold
-Build a second TP (2 total) with explorer
*Aside from the obvious experience benefit, this gives a false impression of silk road, meaning your opponent makes more strelets than he should at the beginning. Great for you, bad for them.
-Click age up to fortress no later than 5:40 using the Scout Politician (or marksman if you dont have scout)
-Second colonial shipment is 700 food
*Not only does this fuel your spahi shipment, it provides a buffer in case your opponent manages to keep you off of food. If he doesn't, you can ship 3 spahi immediately after 5 spahi.

Transition-Colonial to Fortress

-Move 2 vills to gold, 5 to wood, rest stay on food
-Collect 700 food when it arrives.
-Build 2 houses before you age up.

Fortress:

-Ship 5 Spahi immediately
-Run your 4 hussars away from your base as fast as possible. Do NOT engage your enemy with them yet. Use them only to raid until spahi arrive.

Your opponent WILL be attacking you by now. Keep vills garrisoned, whatever you can, just make sure you dont lose too much before spahi arrive.

-Build 2 more houses
-Spahi arrive 40 seconds into fortress. Your opponent will likely have retreated to his base until he has a significant musket force if he's smart, otherwise just murder him on the spot. Make sure your hussars get his forces in the back while spahi take him down in front. If he didn't retreat his forces, then it's gg right there. If he did, ship 3 spahi and move 2 of your wood vills to gold.
-Build a rax
-Queue Jan
-Next shipment is 2 falconets
-Queue more Jans

You should have an army of 10 jans, 2 falcs, and remaining spahi/hussars around 10:00-11:00, depending on how many enemy units you killed for XP (that sounds so evil). Tear down houses, Block Houses, whatever you can, just make sure you put pressure on. Don't forget to raid with your cavalry, as spahi make great raiders.

Continue to spam jans and proceed to ship 5 abus, 5 hussars, 5 hussars, etc until your opponent finally gives up. If he turtles massively (sevestapol), ship 1000 wood and boom triple TC. This hardly ever happens though, so I wouldn't worry much.

Basic Card Order: 3 Settlers, 700 gold, 700 food, 5 spahi, 3 spahi, 2 falcs


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Ok, so lets recap a bit here. Against Spain and Iroqouis, we Jan Rush, vs germans/brits/aztecs we Silk Road Rush, and vs russia we Spahi FF. So lets get to ports and dutch next shall we?

The Silk Road Semi-Fast Fortress

As said above, this strategy is meant to obliterate portuguesse and dutch opponents. Ports are extremely hard to rush if they turtle heavily, using cards like CM and IB, but if they don't you can just do a normal IOR strat (the one mentioned earlier). However, if you see his TC has 150 attack and 9100 HP, heres what to do:

The Build Order:

Disocovery:

(Standard)

Transition-Discovery to Colonial:

(same as IOR, but I'll rewrite it anyways)

-3 vills wood, 2 gold
-2 vills forward, preferably to hunts.
-TC waypoint to gold

Colonial:

-Gather wood crates
-Ship Silk Road
-Build a rax with forward vills
-Build 2 houses
-Research Stagecoach
-Queue 5 jans
-When you have 4 miners, move TC waypoint to food.

Sound familiar so far? That's right, this is exactly the same as the other IOR strategy. But that's the point...your opponent has no clue what you are doing!

-Ship 700 wood
-Continue to queue jans

With your janissaries, start the harrassment process. If against ports, shoot hunting vills. Also try to keep him off of any gold mines so that he doesnt get mamelukes any time soon. Even if this means taking a few shots from the TC, so long as he isn't gathering resources you are doing your job.

Remember, these next steps only apply if you see your opponent has shipped Colonial Militia AND Improved Buildings. If he hasn't shipped both, proceed as you would with the normal IOR!!!

-When 700 wood arrives, build 1-2 more TP's (depending on map) and set them both to food. With kill xp and xp from unit creation, you will now have another shipment.
-Build an artillery foundry
-Build a forward outpost
-Ship 700 gold
-Queue 5 abus guns.

Now, your goal should be to have 15 jans and 5 abus guns by the tme your 700 gold arrives. Once you hit 15 jans, stop making them. This should be well before your abus guns have come out. Just keep harrassing your opponent, making sure you keep him off every resource possible.

Your portuguesse foe has now aged up and is going to start spamming cassadores at you. If you can manage it, around 7:00 try to keep your jan force between his 2 already made TC's so as to catch his TC wagon as it spawns. Only do this if you have your abus guns already on the field however, as the 6 accompanying cassas will own your whole army of jans if they are alone.

-Once you have collected the 700 gold, click the age up to fortress, using the 4 abus gun politician. Yes, you do have enough resources! I know, its amazing, whatever :P

Transition-Colonial to Fortress:

-You should get one shipment during age up. Save it.
-Keep your vill distribution as it is. You should have 4 on gold, 3 on wood, and the rest on food. Feel free to move them around as you need them.
-Switch at least one TP to wood and make a couple houses. Put the rest on gold. Prepare for falconet spam as soon as you reach fort.
-Queu more jans while aging. Keep the pressure constant, and keep those abus alive as long as possible. Even 5 abus guns is a pain for any FF'er.

Fortress (sub-10 minutes):

-Queue falconets
-Ship 2 falconets
-Queue jans

Proceed as you see fit. So long as you maintain a proper janissary meatshield, you are almost guaranteed to win. No port player has an artillery found for culvs this fast, especially when they think you are rushing with jans and abus.

Don't forget to maintain 8-10 abus guns in your army at all times. These are used as LI* killers on the front line while your jans/falcs are sieging and are also great for killing enemy artillery such as culvs or falcs (poor organs, they dont even stand a chance).

Now, you have probably noticed that all the information I have given so far is related to fighting portugal. Well, the exact same BO is used against dutch, just your harrassment measures must change. There are two courses dutch players will take: Mass an army in colonial, or go to fortress himself. If he takes the latter, you WILL reach fortress before him. Also, use your 5 abus guns so much that your opponent will be screaming obscenities at you for the next 10 minutes. 3 Abus kill a skirm in one hit; over 15 skirms are required to have the same effect on your abus guns. Hrm...

From there, keep below 4 falcs and maintain a SIGNIFICANT jannissary shield. Make sure that his fast halbs dont touch your falcs when the time comes. Dont forget to use your abus contingent to snipe enemy artillery, especially culvs.

If he sticks it out in colonial, prepare to lose your forward base. But do not falter! Switch your TP's to wood and rebuild in your base, it only takes one or two rounds of the trade route to regain all that you lost. In this case, spahi are your friend! Spahi Spahi Spahi! Ship these as fast as you can, as they are extremely hard to deal with in colonial. A combination of abus guns and spahi will push him back to his base, and you can then flood jans and falcs at him. Just remember to switch your TP's off of wood after you rebuild!

Basic Card Order: 3 Settlers, Silk Road, 700 wood, 700 gold, 2 falcs


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So now we've seen two fast fortress variants and two rush variants. But we still need a counter to sioux and French! You may be surprised, but it's actually one of the oldest strats in the game.

The One TP Jan + Abus Rush

The Build Order:

Discovery:

(Standard)

Transition-Discovery to Colonial:

-Send 4 vills to gold, the rest stay on hunts
-TC waypoint remains on food
-Send 2 vills forward (not vs sioux)

Colonial:

-Collect 400 wood
-Build a barracks with forward vills
-Ship 700 wood
-Build 2 houses
-Queue 5 jans

-When 700 wood arrives, collect it with 3-4 vills
-Build a foundry
-Build 4 houses
-Queue more jans

Here you have to make a choice. If your opponent is French and he's FF'ing, ship 700 food and continue spamming jans. If he's sioux, or the frenchie is going colonial warefare, ship 700 gold. This will be used for abus production, and we'll temporarily stall jan production.

-Third colonial shipment is the opposite of what you chose above (700 food or 700 gold).
-Ship resource crates as you see fit.

What you do here really relies on what your opponent is doing. Supposing a French FF, you want jans first, abus later. This means spam as many jans as possible and go for houses and military buildings, while making sure you have 8+ abus guns by 7:30, when he will age up. Once he ages, you will need around 10 abus guns and 15+ jans at all times. If you ever drop below this, retreat and regroup. If he pops 5 cuirs and 8 skirms on you, you definitely want to match it with a ready army. And no, 10 jans and 5 abus will not cut it. You want the abus on the front line and jans covering the back when fighting his army, just make sure to move the jans forward when his cuirs come at you of course.

As for sioux, you will want a greater concentration of abus guns to jans. You will have an initial 5 abus and 12-15 jans around 6:00, so you better be prepared to fight off some cetan bows. You must be extremely vigilant with your jan shield. Always keep them behind your abus guns and away from cetan bows, but close enough that he cant rush in with his speed-enhanced axe rider shipment. If you can survive his initial wave, you are pretty much set to win. You will want to stay pretty defensive until you get 10+ abus guns, at which point you can start knocking down warhuts and eventually his town center. After you have shipped 700 gold and food, you can work on setting up a silk road economy if the map allows. This is accomplished by shipping 600 wood, and, of course, silk road. Use the wood on TP's and upgrading the trade route. At some point you will want to move a few vills to wood, usually when you start to break 60 pop it's a good indicator.

Basic Shipment Order: 3 Settlers, 700 wood, 700 food/gold, 700 food/gold, resource crates

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Alright, well, I don't think I need a degree in psychology to know that that's a LOT of information for someone who is new to ottos. So, here is a strat that works fairly well against any civ that isn't ottomans, sioux, iroquois, or aztec. The concept is simple: get to fortress quickly and spam shipments until your opponent dies. Sort of like a Spain FF, but with cooler units

The 2 TP Shipment Spam FF

The Build Order:

Discovery:

(Standard)

Transition-Discovery to Colonial:

-Shift 3 vills to gold (100 gold start) or 4 vills to gold (100 wood/food start).
-Keep all other vills on food
-TC waypoint on food

Colonial:

-Collect age up wood
-Send 700 gold
-Build a TP with your explorer (you have 2 total)
-Build a house
-Collect the 700 gold crates when they arrive
-Click up to fortress between 5:00 and 5:20 using the marksman politician. Plan on hitting fortress before 7:15.

Transition-Colonial to Fortress:

-Ship 700 wood
-Shift 2 vills to wood, 5 to gold
-When it arrives, build a barracks, foundry, and as many houses as you can afford
-Queue as many jans as possible.
-TC waypoint on food

Fortress:

-Ship 2 falcs
-Queue more jans at the rax
-Ship 5 abus guns
-Continue to spam jans, and build houses as you need them

Once you have 2 falcs, roughly 10-15 jans, and 5 abus, start pounding your enemy. Begin assaulting his base no later than 8:30. Tear down houses, military buildings, you name it, just destroy whatever you can without getting your falcs killed by his TC.

-Ship another military shipment (8 jans, 5 hussars)

At this point, stop jan production. Start queuing abus, and let your food accumulate. By the time your next shipment is ready you will have nearly 1000 food. You know whats coming now...

-Ship 5 spahi

With these in play, you should be able to deliver a killing blow to your opponent. If you havent destroyed him yet, these will surely tilt the tide in your favor. Just remember to keep your falconets alive as long as possible, and if they are still alive when your spahi come in, then you have done extremely well.

If your opponent is still able to knock you back after this final push, the odds certainly aren't in your favor. You are stuck at 25 vills, and have most likey run out of military shipments. Should the game last this far, ship 1000 wood and start booming immediately while maintaining a good abus gun population for defense, though I must admit your chance of survival after the initial fortress waves isn't so good. Fortunately, this will not be the case in many games, as most times not even your spahi will get to see little to no action before your opponent throws in the towel.

Basic Card Order: 3 Settlers, 700 gold, 700 wood, 2 falcs, 5 abus, 8 jans/5 hussars, 5 spahi.

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And now come the really tricky strategies. If you thought the others were hard, wait until you try to face opponents on maps such as bayou, orinoco, and painted desert. These maps prohibit all of the above strats from being used, and also lack water for boat booming, meaning one thing: you have to use your available army to the absolute best of their ability. Unfortunately, scraping a win vs some civs on these maps is impossible (aka, iroquois and sioux, and to some extent dutch). But if you can do things correctly, you still have a good chance vs other civs.

The No-TP Jan+Abus rush

This strategy is used vs any civ but spain, iroquois, and portuguesse on the afforementioned painted desert/bayou/orinoco maps. Here's how it works:

The Build Order

Discovery:

(Standard)

*Build 2 extra houses with your starting wood in discovery to accelerate your first shipment (3 vills). That 40 xp goes a long way and can shave 5+ seconds off your colonial time.

*Age with the Governor (tower + 200 gold)

Transition-Discovery to Colonial:

-Place 4 vills on gold and the rest on food.
-Send 3 vills forward.

Colonial:

-Collect age up gold
-Place the tower forward, covering opponent's food
-Build a barracks forward, covering another hunt group
-Ship 700 wood
-Queue Janissaries

-When the wood arrives, collect it immediately
-Build a foundry
-Build 3 houses, save the other 100 wood in case you need it later (mosque, market, etc)
-Queue more jans and start abus production

What you do with your units here is extremely important. If your opponent has a good HI counter in colonial, use your jans to harrass until abus come, but do not engage his main base.

Once abus guns are on the field you can start your main assault. Micro is your friend. If he has *LI, move your jans back (or siege something) and the abus forward. Keep all your units allive for as long as possible. Your strategy here is simple: starvation. Even if you cannot siege his base to the ground, just patrol his borders and keep him off every resource. With your tower and forward base, you are already covering two of possible resource centers, and he is probably down to his last few hunts. On orinoco this is especially effective, as hunts are few and there are no berries.

-Continue shipping resource crates as you need them, but remember that they come in much slower as you do not have TPs fueling them
-Maintain unit production, but be warned, you will NOT be able to constantly make 5 jans and 5 abus guns at a time. Your second colonial shipment will either be 700 food or 700 gold, depending on whether you need abus sooner or later. Against dutch, sioux, aztecs, and russia, early abus are a priority, wheras against brits/germans/french this isn't so much of an issue.

Do not expect to keep an opponent from reaching fortress in this situation. If he FF's, keep your cool and continue pressure. The longer the game lasts, the more your opponent will feel the strain of this resource containment. If you can last it out until about 13 minutes in with a decent army, the game is yours.

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And now, for the highly anticipated anti-Ottoman guide Ottoman guide! Unfortunately, this matchup does have a bit of a rock-paper-scissors element to it. However, with proper scouting you should be able to tell what your opponent is going to do and counter it effectively, almost as if in a rock-paper-scissors game you could scout your opponent's brain to find out which he is going to use. I know, cheap eh? Scouting ownz.

Here's how it goes: Jan Rush > Spahi FF > Abus Rush > Jan rush. Turn that into an infinite cycle and you have the otto mirror. Of course, there are other strats you can use, but these are simply the most effective.

Strat number one:

The Abus Rush

This rush is pretty self-explanatory, but requires immense micromanagement capabilities, by which I don't mean control groups, I mean the click and drag sort. Keep in mind throughout this that it takes 4 abus to one shot kill an opponent's abus gun. Basically all we want to do here is spam as many abus guns as possible and defeat the opponent through killing his army, not destroying his buildings. As such, it is an excellent counter to the Janissary Rush, which relies on heavy siege to kill an opponent quickly while sacrificing unit-killing capacity. Alright, enough with the overview jargon, strat time.

Discovery

(Standard)

Transition-Discovery to Colonial

-Shift 2 vills to wood, 4 on food, and the rest on gold
-Send 3 vills forward
-TC waypoint to gold

Colonial

-Collect 400 age wood
-Build an artillery foundry with your forward vills
-Ship 5 Janissaries
-Build 2 houses
-Queue 3-5 abus guns, depending on treasures

Once your 5 jan shipment arrives, send it to your forward base. Your first group of abus guns will arrive somewhere around 5:15. At this time, your opponent will either attack you with 10 jans, 5 jans and 5 abus (same as your army, d'oh), or start going to fortress. We'll assume he's performing the jan variant, as this is what this strat is supposed to counter.

Keep your jans behind your abus and out of range of the battle field. You need them alive in case he ships 3 hussars.

-Build a 4th house (50 pop)
-Ship 700 gold

This will provide you with enough resources to continue pumping abus guns until your next shipment arrives. You should have roughly 8 or 9 vills on gold now. Once you reach 10, switch the TC waypoint to food.

Continue abus spam. If your opponent decided to go silk road, aim for his TP's and keep an eye out for a foundry going up. You will easily overrun his initial jan army, which is why silk road is not a very viable otto mirror option. If he's going jans, push him back and take the offense. Try to prevent him from getting a foundry for as long as possible.

-Ship 700 wood

The timing of this shipment will depend on what you have been doing militarily. You should get it inside 7:00 if you've played aggressively enough or if you managed to get some XP treasures. When it arrives, collect it ASAP.

-Build a barracks.
-Build a TP
-Build a house
-Upgrade the trade route

A lot to do with 700 wood eh? Well, thats cuz it's more than 700 wood. Hmmmmm, moving along then...

By now you will have been owning his poor Jan army, and he will most likely have built a foundry. Once your barracks is up, switch some gold vills to food so that you have them roughly half and half. Start making Jans for siege, and keep your abus guns around his foundry to limit his abus making capabilities.

Once the stagecoach is upgraded, the game is yours. Not only are you up 6-8 vills on him, but you've (hopefully) been keeping him contained, not allowing him to mass a significant force for escape. Once your jan flood begins, the game is over.

The tricky part comes when you face a Fast Fortress. You're force will consist of roughly 15 abus guns and 5 jans when he hits fortress at 7:10-20. Scout his TC 30 seconds after he reaches colonial age to see if he shipped 700 gold. If so, knock down his TP's as fast as you can. If you can starve him of shipments, you have a much higher chance of success. Once this is accomplished, go for housing immediately. You will NOT kill his TC before he reaches fortress, don't even bother trying. Just kill as many houses as you can and run away after you kill his age up troops.

Regroup at your forward and start Jan production. He's going to hit you hard and fast with 5 spahi at 8:00, so be ready with your forces. Unfortunately, all you have is a mere 10 jans and 12-15 abus (dumb TC fire and age up troops). You must stall him for as long as possible while building up your jan force. This means running around the map, hiding your army in a small corner, whatever you can. Just find a place to hide until you have 20 jans. Once you have aquired these, just stick it out in your base, temporarily fighting on his terms. Remember, you have the trade route running for you, so your economy is much better than his. Once his shipments run out, he's finished. If you can win the initial fortress engagement, victory is assured. Otherwise, you're kinda screwed, but meh, not my fault you picked paper to beat scissors .


So you have the Abus rush. You already know how to perform the Spahi FF and Jan rush, but I find the Abus Rush to be much more secure than either of those in an otto mirror. The Jan rush is a hard counter to the Spahi FF, and the Abus Rush is a hard counter to the Jan rush, but the Spahi FF is really only a soft counter to the Abus Rush, as you still have a chance of victory if you use your units well.

Hope you like this segment. With the new QS I think it should help a lot with those pesky mirrors.

[This message has been edited by xMatt the Greatx (edited 02-06-2007 @ 12:38 PM).]

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posted 01-21-07 02:11 PM EDT (US)     26 / 97  
Wooooow that was a long guide, and pretty well written I have to say. thanks for the credit too seph, glad that I could be of some help.

*hopes not a lot of people read the part about handling frenchies*

posted 01-21-07 04:00 PM EDT (US)     27 / 97  
Wow, nice guide. I just had a thought that on some maps, if you get 500 wood, and send ATP, you can get 3 TPs if you gather just 50 wood for a house. What do you think about doing this if possible?

Also, Rofl, someone made a Blender_Fjord account!

posted 01-21-07 05:30 PM EDT (US)     28 / 97  
THIS IS THE BEST THING I'VE SEEN ON HEAVENGAMES FORUMS. Every bit of information in that guide is useful. however, I would go more janissary-heavy on the French. Their crossbowmen aren't too much of a threat, and you HAVE to take them out before they go fortress.

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posted 01-21-07 09:12 PM EDT (US)     29 / 97  
I added the shipment spam FF. I've spent 20 hours in the past two days driving, and I'm spending another 10 tomorrow, which is why these additions are coming in slower than expected. The guide will be fully completed by Wednesday though, I assure you
posted 01-23-07 09:03 AM EDT (US)     30 / 97  
Matt your strat guide is very good but it would be really appreciated if u make a strat section for otto vs dutch as well cause i have played some games with your exact strat but the dutch players sit on our head if we just make 5 abus and go or ff cause they have like 25 skimrs and then they go fortress themselves and then they own us with uber spammmm. And if we fidght in colo well they just try to outmaasss us with hussa skirm there must be a way man . Your BO aint helping tht much against dutch
posted 01-23-07 01:41 PM EDT (US)     31 / 97  
Omg, what a damn long post!

I'm not at home yet (will be tomorrow), so I haven't got the oportunity of reading much of it yet... but what I've seem untill now is very good! Keep it updated and I'd love to put it on our Strategy Page

Btw, what the hell is all that Blender_Fjord thingy?


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posted 01-23-07 03:49 PM EDT (US)     32 / 97  
awesome guide Matt!
posted 01-23-07 03:58 PM EDT (US)     33 / 97  
posted 01-23-07 06:27 PM EDT (US)     34 / 97  
Hi seph just reposting it again to get your attention please help with a detailed post bout Dutch cause your strat really isnt wrking against top dutchies all help will be greatful
posted 01-23-07 07:05 PM EDT (US)     35 / 97  
Well, the strat I posted above is actually very hard to pull off effectively, as it takes a huge amount of macro and micro in game, but the 2 TP Shipment spam FF works very well also, especially against people who don't expect it (check out my game vs fantasyz in the record pack to see it in action).
posted 01-24-07 03:48 AM EDT (US)     36 / 97  
yes i saw that game it was quite good. the 2 shipemnt spam does work quite well but then if people see you doing that and ff themselves then its quite a trouble but i will try that no probs cheerz . But tbh they are all rsky strats lol :P

I have seen all of your replays seph your truly very good but I hope you wouldnt mine making a new replay pack with the latest patch lol OOS owned all of your replays :P :P :P

[This message has been edited by destromat (edited 01-24-2007 @ 04:11 AM).]

posted 01-25-07 01:15 AM EDT (US)     37 / 97  
For the no-tp rush, you mean collect the age up gold right? since you used governor...

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posted 01-25-07 09:21 PM EDT (US)     38 / 97  
Matt the Great you RULE!!!!
before this GREAT topic i was doing the otto chucrch card FF. (its the best strt i ahve ever played)

and then i read this and strarted using Silk road rush.
ITS FANTASTIC.

i am in vainilla and heres not so many players so i play 1v1 and its great.
i cant belive i have so many reources in a little time.
i love ottos since i start playing aoe3 i play ottos they are fantastic.

thanks for the topic Matt.

posted 01-25-07 11:22 PM EDT (US)     39 / 97  
that ff is a nice one isn't it Eicho (i posted it)

yeah im interested to see how a strat on carolina will go, cause i think otto benefits most on hipanolia/carolina.

for example, if your russia u get a lot of food crates, so u have 3 sets of villies being qued while the ottoman can just age sooner and not have to wait for vills to be made.

posted 01-26-07 00:24 AM EDT (US)     40 / 97  
ye the otto church FF is the best, i dont remember who has posted it.

nowi have oyu in my good list steve

i love that strategy

posted 01-26-07 05:04 AM EDT (US)     41 / 97  
IMO the church FF is a one off, if the initial attack fails u got nothing to replinish the army except for 1 shipment, its better to just ship 700 wood onto fortress, build a rax start training janns and ship in 2 cannons, u can have same units at same time but atleast replenish faster.
posted 01-26-07 07:57 AM EDT (US)     42 / 97  
As posted above

Carolina strat is pretty simple, nothing more complex than silk road.

Hispanila is one of my least favorite maps. It's an auto-loss vs any native civ

posted 01-26-07 08:58 AM EDT (US)     43 / 97  

Quoted from xMatt the Greatx:

Hispanila is one of my least favorite maps. It's an auto-loss vs any native civ


Could you elaborate a little more on the Hispaniola problem? A water map seems like a good thing for an Ottoman. Is the concern that you'll get flushed off of your fish too easily and not have a trade route to fall back on? I've found that against Otto I can't go too fish-crazy. They're still a powerful force on land, so if I pour my money into a million canoes I'm going to really pay the price on the land battles when the abus are out. But it sounds like I may have some big advantage that I'm not exploiting.

Strategies:
- BWKiC - A British Fast Fortress strategy
- The Aztec Scout Slam- An Envoy Rush, Native-Style
posted 01-26-07 10:29 AM EDT (US)     44 / 97  
matt dont answer joe!!

hes just trying to come up with another crazy aztec strat to pwn all of us europeans

posted 01-27-07 03:51 AM EDT (US)     45 / 97  
It's probably the fact that you have to go fish or your even more screwed. So you only have one strat that you can do. And since natives can rush hard. And since you're going fish you can't make a big army since your using recourses for econ. So it's gg in advance.
posted 01-28-07 04:38 AM EDT (US)     46 / 97  
where can i find the otto church card ff strat
posted 01-28-07 08:43 AM EDT (US)     47 / 97  
Do you mean that?

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posted 01-28-07 10:49 AM EDT (US)     48 / 97  
RL got the aztec thing right. Ottoman's rush is terrible on this map because even though you age up very fast, you dont have a second shipment until ~4:30, which kinda sucks. So you pretty much have to fish boom, and natives on water >>>> euros water.
posted 01-28-07 06:50 PM EDT (US)     49 / 97  
Abus siege damage has to go, ignoring all ranged resistance makes me cry.

Cassadores great range recist makes up for its really crappy HP and means they can stand up against most LI, yet drop like flies to ABus.

Ignoring range resist means Abus beat Cannons also means that abus is the only land based unit that can really destroy warships in age II which really anoys me .

Abus beats sooo many things I wish I had em

Maybe make them deal normal range damage but boost their base damage slightly? so they still hurt LI but no longer beat cannons nor destroy warchips?

Thought I post this here instead of making new thread to see what ottoman players think.

posted 01-28-07 08:44 PM EDT (US)     50 / 97  
Just give abus .5x vs arty.
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