I have been trying this out lately and it has worked surprisingly well.

against 2 ports I won easy even when they were better then me

A french tried to xbow rush me using the outlaw defense and even though i beat back the first 2 waves I did not have enough soldiers left to go on the offensive and he outboomed me and I lost to his skirms/cuirs

Then i played a aztec who did a weird BBR and all i had were Comanchero and uhlans and his pumas and juaguars owned them and 10 xbows

so all in all one of the best viable german strategies but it has its weakness especially on maps with out pistilleros/

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Renegados do their job too. Only the maps I listed give you trouble.

What's the pistolero's firing rate?

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That's true, but it sort of seems an all or nothing type strat So with Palatine Settlements it won't matter much until it drags on forever, and then if that's the only bugged card you have it's only 4 pop lost.

I've been with this strat against the pop limit quite some times, so I don't like the idea of sacrificing pop. I'm just principally against sending bugged cards.

Pistoleros shoot at 3 seconds like every other HI except they have a set up time on their revolver. So they're basically a longbow that doesn't shoot every 1.5. Same thing for renegados.

Yay! I made it to the home page!

EDIT: I just beat an Otto major with this strat! He rushed, but my brave shotgun-wielding heroes fend him off!The poor bastard was so confused he even shipped spies! Unfortunately it wasn't recorded, but you can see the details here.

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Thanks buddy! I've been crying over my Germans for a while now, now maybe I can own!

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Still around but I don't post much anymore. I've just accepted the fact that we're stuck with what we have and the effort of ES to get out good patches just isn't going to happen so it's worthless to talk about balance issues which is what I tend to do most when I post.

I just found out (through some Spanish player on quicksearch) the same strat was posted at gamereplays.org! It seems German players all over the world have made an alliance with cowboys!

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What are you trying to say?

I have used this outlaw tactics.
My outlaw tac is like u.
I think ur tactics is good.
But I think that ur tactics restricts some cases.

So my tac exists little differences.
For example, I often use xb card at 2nd shipment.
Because, In h2h, I can use militaly faster and In team battle, if the man use palatain at 2nd shipment, the man ally often die.
Xb card fix outlaw tactics's week point.
I think that this tactics week point is few militali units in early time.
So, I often use palatine settlements card at 3rd shipment.

And I recommend 700 gold card.
Because, if mine exist few or II age is long time, u will need gold.
Of course, i know uhlan bag.
In short time game or impossible age up game, i think that 4pop bag influence only little.
I think that 700 gold card is using insurance and to beat early time.

I often make barrracks in early time.
Because, barraccks help us from outlaw tactics week point too.

I want to ask u.
What card do u recommend in age III or IV?
I think that uhlan9,8 card, mercenary cards, wing hussar card and team settler wagon card to avoid pop bag.
And I prefer improved mersenarry card or skirmisher8 card.(pop 6 bag is painful orz)

I wait for ur opinion.
And if the cards that u often use exist, I want u to teach me.

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I mostly don't play team games, so I can't really comment on that.

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I've never had any gold problems, so to me it looks like a waste of 4 pop space.

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Against most rushes, minutemen + TC fire will safe you until the first batch comes out, and when the first batch comes, you have enough XP to ship xbows. I've never been overwhelmed in the early game, because the rushes are either not fast enough (Ottoman) or too weak (Iroquois).

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Barracks are of later concern. I use my resources to maintain a constant stream of outlaws and villagers. Against Ottomans you rather want a stables than a barracks.

About the cards I use, here is a screenie of the deck I mostly use: [JPEG, (191.24 KB)]

8 Uhlans isn't good enough for me. 1000 gold I have to create falconets or culverins (you lack any good age 3 shipments of those). I mostly gather gold for Jäger during age up, but sometimes another mercenary (like Black Rider against Spahi ff). Landsknecht I have there just for siege (I rarely use them, though).

TEAM Settler Wagon sounds to me like a waste; If you want an eco boost you can better ship Germantown Farmers. And improved mercenaries are only worthwile if you have a good saloon mercenary, but most of the time that is so gold-heavy I stick to regular troops.

10 Winged Hussars is indeed a very good card in early Industrial, when everyone walks around with veteran units.

thank u for ur response

I see ur deck.
I think good deck if u were not fear uhlan bag after 3age.
I often play team battle.
so, I think that this causes both thinking difference.

TEAM settler wagon is effective card in only team battle.
For example, in 3v3 battle, this card effect is larger than 12vil card.
Not for himself or herself.

I respect ur win and german user more increase.

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After age 3 it gets even worse, as that is the time when you reach max pop. I mean, are you willing to sacrifice 6 pop places for a fort (that will stay when it is destroyed)? or 16 for a pair of factories?

Is it worth the british using the saloon for the pistoleros? Longbows don't perform very well in age 2 for beating Jannisaries...

I'd go for renegados rather than pistoleros (pistoleros are more like muskets).

I can certainly see this work for the Brits (they have all the pop space needed after all).

I just tried this against an iro rusher (with renegados) and it worked really well. I am pretty impressed, I think this is a very good strategy.

Thanks! Right now I'm trying how well this works for the Brits.

Works extremely well. I fought expert comps all on a team against me and won. Rushed at about 7:00 and killed 2 of em. To easy to defend with outlaws.

Effectiveness against AI is by no means a measurement for strength.

Good point.

[This message has been edited by Catabre (edited 04-02-2007 @ 10:52 AM).]

Dude I thought you liked Germany???????????????

Please don't hold conversations with your smurf Catabre/Pickla.