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posted 02-12-07 10:54 PM EDT (US)   
Sioux Survival Guide
By Smear

Everyone Thinks the Sioux canít match up to Civís like France or Spain. France can just Fast fortress and bring cuirs and cannon up your ass. Spain will fast fortress too and just spam shipments at you until you run out of resources. Correct? What about iro? It seems nobody can beat there Fast fortress. And letís not forget about Dutch, Russia, and British who all need to be dealt with at some time or another. Well I am going to teach you how to beat this, along with some more strats to beat other civs. Letís start with the basics of the Sioux.

Basics of Sioux

~Warchief:
This guy is OP. He has a speed of 8.10 and can convert treasure guardians. With him you can scout the map for very good treasures in less then a minute depending on the map. Not to mention you can raid with him and nobody can catch you in age 2 and even age 3. And why stop with raiding? Put him behind some wakina or cetan and they can hit and run like no other. ALWAYS Use your Warchief even if you donít think he will help. He probably will.

~No houses:
Having no houses is one of the best advantages in this game. You can make units whenever you want. You donít have to spend as much time chopping wood and you can ship shipments that take up 60 pop room! And not have to worry.

~Cavalry
Sioux cavalry is some of the best in the game.
-Dog soldier shipments, though small, can really turn the tide of the game in age 2 or 3.
-Axe riders can cost a lot but hey youíre Sioux you donít need food right? They are stronger then normal hussar too and are a raiding machine when combined with your warchief.
-And lets not forget Rifle Riders. These guys with proper hit and running techniques can stop any rod spam/jan spam/musket/cav spams. Donít forget to always hit and run with them.

~Infantry
We all know that Sioux are supposed to be a cavalry civ. But somewhere along the line ES decided to hand them some pretty good infantry. Letís take a look at them.
-Cetan. These guys can be easily spammed in age 2 and can take out most other LI with proper micro. And when supported by axe and bears they are a force to be reckoned with.
-Clubman. IMO these guys arenít that great. But if you need some extra siege then the shipment of them isnít that bad. But only make them if youíre trying to take down some buildings. More on this later when we get to the club rush.
-Wakina. Let me let you in on a little secret I learned from _sephiroth_. These little guys are OP and nobody knows. Theyíre dirt cheap, 60 food and 30 gold for a unit that almost matches a forest prowler? Are you serious? Lets take a look at there stats:

Wakina
60 food 30 gold, 85 hit points, 29 seconds to build, 121 villa time, 16 damage with bonus

Forest prowlers
50 food 65 gold, 110 hit points, 33 seconds to build, 167 villa time, 18 damage with bonus

The Wakina Rifle Costs less, only has 25 less hitpoints, takes less time to build and less time to gather for and only has 2 less damage then a forest prowler. Not that bad for a civ thatís supposed to use OP cavalry.

Ok now lets move on to some strats.

Sioux Fast Fortress Spam

Everyone knows that Sioux are famous for there cetan spam *laming* But what if your up against a French or spain player. Or even another Sioux player? Are you going to rely on your micro vs the Sioux? Are you going to hope that the French player doesnít FF and get cuirs? Or are you going to just sit back and let the spain player spam shipments at you all night long? NO of course not! This is how to beat them. MATCH their FF with one of your own! Hereís how you do it.

Discovery Age
-2 villaís to hunt
-3 to crates
-First card 3 villagers
-Try to scout for some good treasure with your warchief. Try to get all the gold treasures you can.
-Start to herd a second huntable toward your tc.
-Age with 15 villagers around 3:20 with the 400 wood chief.

Transition: Discovery/Colonial
-Now you need to collect 300 gold somehow. Whether through treasures or mining. Here is how I do it depending on how much gold you have at this point
100g = 5 villagers on mine
200g = 4 villagers on mine

Colonial Age
-Once you age and have 300 gold send the gold miners to collect the 400 wood and make a warhut, If your enemy is going to rush you within the next couple minutes, IE Sioux mirror, then I would suggest putting the rax behind your tc, Since the Sioux doesnít have that good of siege you can use your tc to pick off there units, Just make sure you can still Hunt during this time.
-As soon as you age send 700 gold. When it arrives have your gold miners, which are now warhut builders, collect it ASAP.
-When you have enough to age, age with the messenger, Now hereís the thing though. In SOME instances it is ok to age with the 4 axe rider chief, but only when you know you wonít be attacked and that your opponent wont get to fort before you do. You will have to be the judge of that though. You should age around 6 minutes if done right

Transition: Colonial/Fortress
-Put 5 villagers back on gold, 11 on food.

Fortress Age
-Arive in fort around 7 minutes if you aged with the fast chief, As soon as you age, queue one villager, as many wakina as you can and send 3 dog soilders if facing Sioux. If you are facing spain send 5 rifle riders to take care of there heavy infantry spamming and lancer spamming, Also send 5 rifle riders if you know your French enemy Fast fortressed, If he was dumb and thought you were going to colonial fight then send 3 dog soldiers.
-Keep spamming wakina. They are very cheap and you should be able to get 5 coming out each time while spamming villagers.
-When your shipment arrives you can choose to attack or defend or wait for more units
-My advice. If your going vs a French wait til you have your second shipment and send 5 axe or 3 dog soldier, then attack with 15 or so wakina 5 rifle and 5 axe riders, he will only have skirm and if heís smart the 3 cuir card. Micro him to death sil vous plait.
-If youíre going vs. a Spain then a slightly hard road follows you. You will have to micro your cav to keep out of the rods way while still defending your wakina from lancers or cannon. My advice is to go heavy on the rifle rider shipments and keep them alive! Once those shipments run out send the wakina one or 5 axe riders depending on whatís going on.
-If your going vs Sioux and he was dumb enough to try and rush you with cetan then keep the cav shipments coming, 3 dog soldiers followed by 5 axe riders, even if he sent his cav shipments the dog soldiers themselves will be able to keep him at bay with wakina backup and proper micro.

This strat also works well vs brit, Russia and the occasional germany. Russia just fast fortress and get dog soilders and cav. They cant do anything vs them in age 2. The british player will be to busy booming to realize that axe riders and dog soldiers kick there lbs ass and if they go for musket or pike you have wakina.

And germany.. lets just say.. if you cant beat germany.. I pity you.

Some tips:
~Lets remember that the basic principle of this strat is to keep your wakina alive while spamming shipments, If you lose your wakina then your basically done for.
~Another idea would be to put some villagers on a firepit during age to fortress and use the gift dance to get your shipments faster.
~I would also think about adding the 10 renegado allies to your fast fortress deck. if your rush needs some extra umpf or some siege 500 gold for these guys aint so bad. they also count as some excelent anti infantry.
-This strat also works vs Aztec, all you have to do is collect your age up material while building a warhut in a secret place incase he attacks your tc. Once u age send wakina and rifle riders to kill his bb rush. Then its gg.

Recordings
-Here is one vs Sioux
http://www.savefile.com/files/487354
-Here is one vs Spain
http://www.savefile.com/files/487346
-Here is one vs French
http://www.savefile.com/files/487360


Ottoman Strangle

Now what to do vs those pesky ottomans who spam you with OP abuse guns and Janz. Quite simple really. Rush them before they can mass enough units! And while your at it, strangle there economy! Heres how:

Discovery Age
-Basic Sioux colonial.
-Age with 15, 500 food poli.

Transition
-As you age put either 3 or 5 villagers on wood depending on how much wood you started with. Make a rax a soon as you can

Colonial
-As soon as you age send 4 axeís
-queue as many cetan as you can
-collect 500 food and queue a few villagers
-You should have about 7 villagers on wood and the rest on food
-Next shipment is 2 dog soldiers
-As soon as your 4 axeís arrive GO RAID take out as many villagers as you can without losing any axe. If you happen upon a few abus coming out of an artillery range and there are no janz in sight then by all meens destroy them. Just DONíT lose any of your axeís or your warchief.
-When you have 10 cetan go attack his 5-10 janz that he should have made. Pick them off, you are not going for the win just yet, your are hitting and running his Lame Op abusing ass to death! If he starts to go abus and you cant hit and run anymore then act like your hitting and running and draw his janz off his abus. Then rush in with your 4 axe 2 dogs and wc and destroy the abus, then get the hell out of there. Use cetan on janz always!
-Next shipment is 700 gold
-Chop 200 wood and make a stable
-Mass axe and if you have enough food keep making cetan.
-The second battle should take place soon as your ottoman enemy thinks that he can take you on. If he attacks then micro him to death. I cant give any details on hints on how to beat him here, it all depends on YOUR MICRO. Axe on abus always and Cetan on janz always. Never let up.
-At this Point the ottoman is either going for a silk road to keep his eco stable or his shipments are starting to run out. If he has tps try and take them out without losing any units, If he doesnít have tps then try to raid with your wc and pick off some janz.

Some tips
-At some point I advise making a firepit and boom some villagers, The basic principle of this strat is to always keep him on the defensive and if he does go offensive you are able to stop him and not die. Also the point is to wear the ottoman out til his eco is in shambles and you can just walk into his base and he has little or no army.
-KEEP RAIDING, if there is a lul in the battle and you have some axes and your wc then go raid! Just donít lose any horses. Even taking out 1 of your opponents villagers will set him back a bit. After his shipments run out of course
-There isnít much I can tell you about finishing him off, Each game vs an ottoman is different and I mostly play it by ear, If your opponent does get to fortress u will need some rifle riders to fight off spahi.

Recordings
-Here is one on texas, donít worry the map didnít play a part in the outcome, or at least. IMO it didnít haha.
http://www.savefile.com/files/487380


Ottoman Strangle, Variation 2

After an intelligent post by some forumers on HG I decided to test our the evening star card vs Ottomans, Surprisingly it completely murdered ottomans everywhere and most were like ďwtf Iíve never seen that beforeĒ or ďThat completely caught me off guardĒ
So how do you use this card to the Siouxís advantage? Heres how..

Discovery
-Regular Sioux age
-Age with 500 food poli

Transition
-Move villagers to wood
-Once you have 200 wood all villagers back on food
-Put about 4 villagers on gold

Colonial
-Collect 500 food
-Queue villager
-Make a stable
-Send 4 Axe
-Once stable is complete Queue 5 axe
-When you get your 9 axe and your warchief go raid the ottoman, Just piss him off for awhile while you continue to mass axe riders, If hes going for the IOR then kill his explorer ASAP
-Send 2 dog soldiers
-By now the ottoman should think your going all axe, So he will mass janz like a mofo, This is where the evening star comes in.
-Once you get around 17 axe riders send your evening star card, If your opponent attacks with his janz then run your cav away and keep them alive
-Once the evening star card is about to arrive run your cav at him, Whether he is attacking your base or just sitting in his own. If you have a clear shot at his villagers then go kill like 2-3 of them before you switch to rifle riders. He will run his janz in thinking your on a raid and then BAM rifle rider shot to the face bitch! I have literally taken out 30 jan armies with this. And thatís 3k food down the drain right there.
-At this point keep massing axe and keep your rifle riders alive. Once you take out his army then keep raiding his base and taking out villagers. He will either quit out of Anger or keep on fighting hoping he can mass enough units to fight you. He might switch to abus to counter rifle riders and if he does then its GG, If he doesnít.. well.. Its GG still cuz rifle riders still pwn him.

Some Tips
-Send your club cards to take out some houses, You wont belive how pissed he will become when he has no army, his villas cant gather AND he is popped.
-I have found that this strat beats anything the ottoman can do if its done correctly. I love it
-I would recommend to ALWAYS use this strat vs an ottoman.. although if u cant for some reason or just wish to win without being OP then use my first variation.

Heres a couple recís enjoy:
http://www.savefile.com/files/499728
This one I was testing out the strat vs a friend, Watch the ending to find out a secret word!
http://www.savefile.com/files/499794
This one is vs.. SEPHIROTH!! THE LAMER OF ALL OTTOMAN LAMERS. THE MIGHTIEST OF ALL .. MIGHTY.. PEOPLEÖ

Enjoy mates

2 TP FF Spam

So now we have strats vs Otto/ Sioux/ French/ Spain/ Russia. Now what about British? They will just outboom you if you donít rush right?! Omg what do we do, you say to me. Well what else would you do. Fast fortress vs them. Lol no Iím not joking were going to fast fortress vs a booming civ. They will make the wrong units like LB and you will easily be able to counter them in fortress. Heres how you do it:

Discovery
-Regular Sioux discovery
-15 villa age
-Age with the messenger, THATíS RIGHT the messenger!

Transition
-3 villagers to gold or 4 depending on how much gold you started with
-Try to get another herd near you

Colonial
-Send 700 gold as soon as you age
-Collect with 4 villaís that were on gold, rest are still on hunts
-Age with 800 wood ASAP

Transition
-4 villa on gold, rest on food

Fortress
-Send 5 axe shipment
-Collect 800 wood
-Make 2 tps
-Send axeís to go raid if you can without your warchief because he is making tps. If you cannot do it safely then do not bother.
-Make a warhut
-Spam wakina
-Keep up villager production
-Make a fire pit
-These steps should all take place relatively quickly upon entering fortress age
-Next shipment is 3 dog soldiers
-As soon as you get around 10 wakina start to pick off his villagers or soldiers that he has made. Considering they are british and dutch they will most likely have longbow or skirm. Maybe even musket if they think you will go all cav. Either way we are in the advantage here. Lure them out a bit from there base then run in with cavalry and wakina and destroy there army. If they happened to make pikes then run your cav around a bit while picking off the pike with wakina. If they have no pikes then this should be pretty easy.
-Next shipments are 4 axe, 9 wakina, clubman shipments

Some tips
-Make sure you take full advantage of the siege dance at the firepit. Once you take out there armies you should switch to siege dance and start to rip down there tc/outposts that they have made.
-Always go for villagers, If your attack does happen to fail any villagers that you do kill will equalize the economic advantage that these boom civs have on you.
-This strat can be used vs many other civs too. But it depends on the situation

Recordings
-Here is one vs british
http://www.savefile.com/files/487382


Classical Club Rush

Now we need a strat vs Port/Dutch. This Pesky UP civ can cause a lot of problems for Sioux believe it or not. If they get there 3 tcís up and are able to get to fortress then your dead, cassadores and goons counter everything you can throw at them, belive me if they get to fortress itís a NIGHTMARE for a Sioux player. And then dutch, what are you going to let them ff and get cannon/halbs? Hell no. So the only way to stop this is an all or nothing club rush. Heres how:

Discovery
-Regular Sioux age
-Age with 15, 400 wood poli
-Here is where the discovery age changes a bit. Try to find some good treasure guardians that can siege and convert them before the port ages. Get 1 or 2 depending. Once the Port ages rush those guardians in and Attack his tc cart. He will most likely get the tc foundation going unless he is a complete noob. Siege the foundation

Transition
-All villas stay on food
-3 forward near ports base

Colonial
-As soon as you age send the 6 clubman card
-Collect 400 wood
-Make warhut with forward villaís
-5 villagers to wood
-When you get your first clubs attack the town center that your warchief has been attacking
-Spam clubman from wh
-Next shipment is 6 cetan
-Keep up the attack on the town center until it is finished. If he sends for minute men then retreat for a couple seconds (wait for another batch of units for example) then continue your attack
-4 axe is next shipment
-If your opponent chose to not FF and is spamming a certain type of unit then stop making clubs and make cetan, most likely though you should take out his 2nd tc before you switch to cetan.

Some tips
-Playing vs a Port is another strat where your going to have to play it by ear. It depends a lot on what your opponent does. If he fights it out in colonial then go heavy on cetan and axe shipments. If he chooses to FF then go heavy on clubman with axe shipments.


Recording
-Here is one vs Port
http://www.savefile.com/files/487387

Sioux Fast Fortress SLAP!

And Now we have a strat vs All the Civs except for the lamest of them all. Iroquois Confederation.. They will Fast fortress and most likely get forest prowler/musket riders. So what do you do?! You Slap that bitch! SLAP! An Axe to the face! SLAP Wakina bullet to the head! Heres how:

Normal Discovery
Age with 400 wood

Transition:
Build a trading post if you have the wood, if you donít wait til you gather the 400 wood and build one.
Switch some villagers to gold so you have 300 when u age.

Colonial:
Collect wood
Make tp if you havnt
Build a blockhouse
Send 700 gold

Once it arrives collect it and Age with the 4 axe rider chief.

Transition:

During age put some villagers on wood if you can get another tp up. If you are currently at 0 wood then just put the villagers on gold, doesnít matter that much.

During age up send 4 axe rider shipment too

Fortress:
Spam wakina
Send 5 axe
Send 3 dog soldiers

By now your opponent is probably attacking you with forest prowlers. Precede to Slap him in the face with your cavalry/wakina combo. If he has some musket riders with him then micro them to death with your wakina.
Once you completely outmicro and OUTLAME his army precede to completely destroy any forward base that he might have made.

Send 9 wakina for backup
If you can raid safely now is the time to do it while you are building up your siege force.
Send 1k food
Get dog soldier big button to add that extra umpf to your siege force.

If you have not won the game by now because he hasnít resigned out of frustration because his laming didnít work, Then you may proceed to completely Slap this lamer in the face.

Some Tips:
~If the iro decides to fast rush then put the warhut behind your base where he cant see it and plop out 5 cetan, that is more then enough to take out his rush. if you have to send the 2 dog soldier and micro his units to death, he will probly resign after that since his rush FAILED. But if he doesnt, then go fortress and get wakina
-If you look at the iroís deck early and see hes going to turtle with great house then do the classical club rush. Otherwise use this.

Recording:
http://www.savefile.com/files/502520

Happy Hunting


So that is my guide so far. If you have any suggestions please do tell and I will be uploading some recordings for them in a second.


"Smear's WarChief tumbles through the stage, leaps off of it right onto Mokon's car in front of the stage."
Full Guides:
~Sioux Survival Guide: The Last Stand
~The Tashunke Shank: A New Hope
Mini Guides:
~Sioux vs French: Napoleons Downfall

[This message has been edited by Smear (edited 02-21-2007 @ 02:09 PM).]

Replies:
posted 02-16-07 01:00 PM EDT (US)     26 / 96  
Well my Sioux ff has no problem vs france. so since german ff is worse then france ff then i guess germans cant beat sioux

"Smear's WarChief tumbles through the stage, leaps off of it right onto Mokon's car in front of the stage."
Full Guides:
~Sioux Survival Guide: The Last Stand
~The Tashunke Shank: A New Hope
Mini Guides:
~Sioux vs French: Napoleons Downfall
posted 02-16-07 03:00 PM EDT (US)     27 / 96  

Quote:

Well mate think about it. If they do that then they will have Black watch *Heavy infantry* and 2 cannon, Correct? You However will have at least 15 wakina, and 10 cav whether its axe riders or lakota.

Micro wins you the game my friend. and rushing in your cav isnt suicide if you micro your wakina on the black watch.

2 falcs have a longer range than wakina... and BW massacre cav... Seriously, most people don't use this strat unless they can micro well, and it's easier to micro 2 falcs to waste 15 wakina than it is to get 15 wakina to kill the BW. It also takes less time for the falcs to kill wakina than the wakina as the BW have 400 hp (480 if they use thin red line) so it's going to take alot if 16 damage shots to kill them all. 480/16 = 30 btw, 400/16 = 25. So you can't one shot them. Hit and run will be wasted by the falcs, though he will lose BW for sitting there.

More importantly, when doing a BWKiC, a Brit player tends to send the 10 lbows (or is it 9?) shipment next, then musks to act as a meatshield. Lbows will probably bury you when combined with BW and falcs so good luck. (They should have timed everything right and got vet lbows then vet musks.)

What do you think? I reckon some rifle riders would go a long way.


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posted 02-16-07 03:25 PM EDT (US)     28 / 96  
In that case if i saw his black watch i wouldnt attack with that many wakina and cav. I would wait til i got my 30 wakina and then send all my rifle rider shipments. so now i have 9 rifle riders 30 wakina and ~12axe and 3 lakota. No matter wat his army is now i have won. Suicide my axe and lakota on his cannon and the rifle riders and wakina take care of the rest. Send 1000f for the lakota big button and then its gg.

"Smear's WarChief tumbles through the stage, leaps off of it right onto Mokon's car in front of the stage."
Full Guides:
~Sioux Survival Guide: The Last Stand
~The Tashunke Shank: A New Hope
Mini Guides:
~Sioux vs French: Napoleons Downfall
posted 02-16-07 11:31 PM EDT (US)     29 / 96  
You would wait against a Brit? You could end up with him in age 4 or else with a massive lbows + cannon + meatshield (musks or pikes + BW) combo by the time you've sent all those cards, which would make for a good fight and probably come down to micro, although if he adds jaegers?. If he reaches age 4, however, and uses his boom potential properly, it's gg I feel.

Btw I think ur guide is great, I'm just thinking about possibilties here.


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Vive la mort, vive la guerre, vive le sacre mercenaire.

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posted 02-17-07 00:54 AM EDT (US)     30 / 96  
The critasizm is welcome mate dont worry

I dont meen like. wait 20 minutes i meen like wait for ur next 5 wakina, waiting as long as u stated would definantly be suicidal lol.

And you would be surprised how fast i can get those cards out with a tp or two. and the 1k food is for after you have slaughtered his army. Belive it or not isend the dakota big button for seige help not cav help.


"Smear's WarChief tumbles through the stage, leaps off of it right onto Mokon's car in front of the stage."
Full Guides:
~Sioux Survival Guide: The Last Stand
~The Tashunke Shank: A New Hope
Mini Guides:
~Sioux vs French: Napoleons Downfall
posted 02-17-07 03:37 AM EDT (US)     31 / 96  
What is the Dakota Big Button (and the Lakota one, for that matter)?
posted 02-17-07 07:46 AM EDT (US)     32 / 96  
It's 1500 food for 1 Dog soldier ever 3 mins past in the game. So at 15:00, you get 5 dog soldiers.

I don't think any amount of micro can save 2 falcs from 8 axe riders augmented by the warchief btw. Not with just 8 BW at least.

Oh yeah, and wakina rape longbows.

posted 02-17-07 12:18 PM EDT (US)     33 / 96  

Quote:

It also takes less time for the falcs to kill wakina than the wakina as the BW have 400 hp (480 if they use thin red line) so it's going to take alot if 16 damage shots to kill them all. 480/16 = 30 btw, 400/16 = 25.

Wakina is LI, it gets x2 against highlanders, and 16 is colonial attack, in fortress they get 20.

so thats 40 dmg per shot, 10 wakinas 1 shot kill a highlander.

british FF units are very disadvantaged in fighting sioux, mainly because longbows cant hit and run and muskt type units do badly against wakina, and axe raider > hussar.

british could however turtle well with towers and go industrial.

posted 02-17-07 01:01 PM EDT (US)     34 / 96  
Good job smear, tell us when u ll have the anti aztec strat
posted 02-17-07 01:55 PM EDT (US)     35 / 96  
Well.. a brit has never stood up to me in fortress or colonial so.. I guess it all depends on the situation lol.

Yes i will be updating this guide pretty soon. I cant belive i totally forgot aztecs xD I also have to change the ottoman strat around. Look for the update


"Smear's WarChief tumbles through the stage, leaps off of it right onto Mokon's car in front of the stage."
Full Guides:
~Sioux Survival Guide: The Last Stand
~The Tashunke Shank: A New Hope
Mini Guides:
~Sioux vs French: Napoleons Downfall
posted 02-17-07 02:32 PM EDT (US)     36 / 96  

Quote:

Wakina is LI, it gets x2 against highlanders, and 16 is colonial attack, in fortress they get 20.

Read the origina post by Smear. It's 16 damage with the bonus, although I may have misunderstood him here. He's not very cear on whether he means 16 damage with a 2x against inf, or 16 damage, after a 2x bonus has been applied.

However, I suspect you're right. Although you have to spend money on an upgrade if they do 16 in colonial and 20 in fortress.

Quote:

british could however turtle well with towers and go industrial.

Yes, that was part of my point previoiusly, as Smear said he would wait until he had more cards sent etc against a BWKiC. Once Brits get to Age IV, as I said before, it's quite possibly gg, as they're at their strongest there.

Lbows may not be good for hit and run, but even with the fire delay, they do a decent job of killing anyone who tries to hit and run you.

Also, I didn't mean wait 20mins, although that would indeed be suicidal, but Brits often have some FI cards in their decks, so it wouldn't take long, and if they've done a BWKiC, then they have at least 1 TP and possibly two so they may well keep up with you. It would be interesting for sure, I just don't think people who read your strat as a BO are going to be prepared for some basic variations. Although IMO people shouldn't copy BO's if they're not prepared to adapt majorly when the enemy does something unexpected.

A real pity this didn't make it in time for the awards.


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Vive la mort, vive la guerre, vive le sacre mercenaire.

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[This message has been edited by egel (edited 02-17-2007 @ 02:44 PM).]

posted 02-17-07 03:07 PM EDT (US)     37 / 96  
Wakina gets auto veteran upgrade so you dont have to pay.

british rockets are near impossible to beat as sioux, they do flat 300 damage to cavalry, add in muskteers shield, sioux is goner.

posted 02-17-07 03:20 PM EDT (US)     38 / 96  
Maybe it can make the next strat award, then i wont have to compete with the likes of the IOR and Matts strat guide.

But anyway. Idk why you are all talking about brits in industrial. I would attack him as soon as i get around 20 wakina and some cav. What i ment by wait was like wait for another 5 wakina. The card orders were just there for a BO i wouldnt actually wait til all ofthem were sent. that would be suicidal..

And i completely agree with you. They should not follow these BO exactly Because each person does a different thing vs sioux. You must adapt or it really will be your last stand..

Wahoo for play on words


"Smear's WarChief tumbles through the stage, leaps off of it right onto Mokon's car in front of the stage."
Full Guides:
~Sioux Survival Guide: The Last Stand
~The Tashunke Shank: A New Hope
Mini Guides:
~Sioux vs French: Napoleons Downfall

[This message has been edited by Smear (edited 02-17-2007 @ 03:21 PM).]

posted 02-17-07 03:32 PM EDT (US)     39 / 96  
Im thinking about trying sioux. The prospect of having a fast warchief boosting speed, no houses, and cheap units...count me in! hehe

-blake


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posted 02-17-07 03:34 PM EDT (US)     40 / 96  
When I spoke you online 2 hours ago you doubted between Brits and French, then you post a Brits vs Ports thread, and now you want Sioux?

If you can't choose between civs, choose Germany.

posted 02-17-07 09:45 PM EDT (US)     41 / 96  
Well you asked for it folks. a better ottoman strat.

Presenting the Ottoman strangle Variation 2

There is absolutely NO WAY an ottoman can beat you if you use this strat. And my recording vs the best ottoman player there is *imo* proves it.

GG seph

p.s. i must credit volt. whoever you are mate thanks for telling me about evening star.


"Smear's WarChief tumbles through the stage, leaps off of it right onto Mokon's car in front of the stage."
Full Guides:
~Sioux Survival Guide: The Last Stand
~The Tashunke Shank: A New Hope
Mini Guides:
~Sioux vs French: Napoleons Downfall

[This message has been edited by Smear (edited 02-17-2007 @ 09:50 PM).]

posted 02-17-07 10:17 PM EDT (US)     42 / 96  
Game balance makes me sad
posted 02-17-07 11:07 PM EDT (US)     43 / 96  
I watched the rec vs. Sephiroth. Wow, that is one nice card ^^. Also helps he had no hunts really

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posted 02-17-07 11:28 PM EDT (US)     44 / 96  
IMO he could have herded the ones right next to that native tp into his base and he woulda been fine. not sure why he didnt.. But yes Sioux beat otto all the time if you use this strat correctly.

"Smear's WarChief tumbles through the stage, leaps off of it right onto Mokon's car in front of the stage."
Full Guides:
~Sioux Survival Guide: The Last Stand
~The Tashunke Shank: A New Hope
Mini Guides:
~Sioux vs French: Napoleons Downfall
posted 02-18-07 04:36 AM EDT (US)     45 / 96  
although i agree that this strat worked really well, i have to say Matt lost because he made some strategic mistakes and did not play with sioux in mind.

1, outposts kill sioux dead, simple as that, matt should have used his wood shipments to secure hunts, instead of leaving vils in the open and using a mill in the second half.

2, evening star effect only last as long as the last RR dies, and RR actually die really fast to abus and even faster to outposts, after RR are gone, jans + abus own Axe and cetan.

3, imo he did not need ATP as first card on a map with just 2 TRTP, and when against the siegeless sioux.

4, after ATP was sent, he should have used native, the Cheyenne Rider cost 20% more than jans when using TP for wood, but do 45% more damage to cav than jans (after anti cav upgrade), last 50% longer against RR, and are much more mobile. even horse archers would have done well against both RR and Axe.

posted 02-18-07 08:26 AM EDT (US)     46 / 96  
Smear, just incase you wonder my ESO ID is DoppelsŲldner and I'm the one who lost vs LieS twice vs that $%%ß%ß anti Ottoman strat with my poor Ottos.

However, since most sub-2100 Sioux players dont know about that strat yet (damn you SmeaR ), they go cetans vs my Ottos. That is actually pretty easily coutnerable for me since abus kill them in like 2 shots.

Mass cav is what I fear... *shudders*

IMO the only chance the Ottos have is to get some TPs ASAP, build rax/foundry in base, tower hunt, get silkroad and get 10-15 abus first. Then stall abus production and just go 2 rax jan spam. Ship AA for the anti-cav tec and maybe even go age3 (check saloon for mercs, BR will save your a$$!!!) for jan boost card, vet. jans etc.

Biggest problem is, that the Sioux can still easily outboom you with his firepit...

Awwww

posted 02-18-07 09:26 AM EDT (US)     47 / 96  
I tried to build outposts, but those friggin 8.1 speed cav can easily come in and kill all my vills building it, ignore my jans, and then run away practically unscathed. Ouch.

And what do I do on a map that doesn't have cheyenne? Lose? That doesn't seem fair...

And just because warclubs have 6 less siege than a pike doesn't mean sioux are siegeless. Normal TP's drop like flies to any type of pressure.

posted 02-18-07 11:25 AM EDT (US)     48 / 96  
Volt is dop? woah lol ok.. um anyway

If he had gone all abus at first then axe would totaly rape him, its not like i HAD to send evening star right then and there. i did it because he made janz. like i was suspecting.

And if the ottoman does anythign like wat ultamisu said then i just go fortress make rifle riders and wakina and ship axe/lakota. GG then. also axe dont have that bad of siege i hope u know.. so towers can die pretty well..


"Smear's WarChief tumbles through the stage, leaps off of it right onto Mokon's car in front of the stage."
Full Guides:
~Sioux Survival Guide: The Last Stand
~The Tashunke Shank: A New Hope
Mini Guides:
~Sioux vs French: Napoleons Downfall
posted 02-18-07 12:45 PM EDT (US)     49 / 96  
I tried this and it works very well, but outposts always screw me up if I wait for 9 ARs.
posted 02-18-07 12:53 PM EDT (US)     50 / 96  
the damn problem with Soiux is that i rush and get the guy in a box and he stays defensive. i try to get in there, I kill tons of vills but i can't kill the army. They are too powerful with all the techs and upgrades. There is no siege as sioux, so that annoys me. I can't pack alot of punch at a distance when it comes to destroying buildings.
Can somebody help?
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