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O_man0
Skirmisher
posted 10-22-09 09:13 PM EDT (US)         
The Guide to all Guides

As my 1000th post, I know decide that I will hopefully change advance the community for good (AKA earn a sticky).
I don’t know about all of the forummers, but I know that I certainly have not tried out every civilization in the game to a high degree, know many complex strategies with these civilizations, or even know what civilizations are weak or strong against some others. Knowing the play styles and strategies of all the civilizations is essential to becoming better at this game, since it is all about prediction and countering appropriately.

With that said, people like me, who do not know what each civilization is capable of to the most precise degree, are at somewhat of a disadvantage. Now what I knew exactly what my opponent will do and exactly what I should do to counter it? I would most likely win the match. This is where this guide comes into play.
What exactly is this guide? It will be a collection of the most popular and effective strategies for each civilization, each with its appropriate counters and strengths. This way, anybody using or playing against these strategies will know generally what the most efficient way to defeat it is, even if they are supposedly at a disadvantage by it. That’s some pretty valuable information.

But there’s one problem. I obviously do not have all of the information necessary to complete this guide. So this is why I call on you, the forummers, to help me complete this guide, for the good of all the other forummers.

Here’s the Basic Setup.

Civ Name & Abbreviation (Civ Abrrev. this civ is good against) (Civ Abbrev. this civ is bad against)
Strat Link Type of Strategy(most useful against these civs/strats) (least useful against these civs/strats)
Helpful hints for strategy above that are otherwise not provided, or a concise write up for the strategy if is a recording, not a write up
Same as above, et cetera, et cetera.
Short strategies that are particularly effective against civs that this civ has trouble with.


So, to start, there will be no strategies on here other that Cookie’s and Parfait’s Crossbow Contain VODs, since these are the only two sources I have really very useful. Anyways, to submit a strategy, just link it to the thread. I would like to limit off-topic posting as much as possible. Links and anything regarding the strategies is fine. I’ll also need you to tell me what civilizations are at an advantage or disadvantage to others, since I am fairly uninformed on the matter.
So to start us off...

Aztec (AZ) (CH)(DU)(RU)(SX)
Guides
Aztec Colonial Guide - [Rush] - A guide discussing the several options for the Aztecs in colonial. (FF) (BOOM)
Aztec Rush Bluff Semi-FF - [InfSemi] - This strategy takes advantage of the 'Aztec Rush' concept by furthering it to a quick age-up.


British (BR) (DU)(JA)
Guides
Rise to the British Empire - General and very thorough guide to the British

Strategies
The British Hussar Musket Combo - Well written guide to an early Hussar/Musket Combo
21 Musket Rush - [Rush] - Very hard musket rush utilizing very early 2 barracks
The British Musket Sting - Similar to 21 musket rush with only 1 barracks
Brit Native Rush A Nilla strat which takes advantage of the wood cost of natives, the natives treaty card, and the british longbow, for a versatile unit combination.


China (CH)(AZ)(IQ)
Guides
Basics of China An almost all-encompassing China guide, with details on the consolate, banner armies, cards, and more.

Strategies
Basic China Colonial - By the modest 1x1
Basic China FF - [FF] - By the modest 1x1

Dutch (DU)(PO) (JA) (SX) (IQ) (IN) (BR) (AZ)
Guides
The Rise of Amsterdam V2 - A good overview of the dutch civ with some nice strats.

Strategies
Mrmilo Dutch FF! - [EcoSemi] - The classic 3 bank ff, great strat! (FF) (BOOM)
2 Dutch Semi-FF's Very strong semi-ff strats (FF) (BOOM)
Dutch Defensive Skirms The basics of a Dutch Rush Defense, based on using you buildings as a sheild for your skirmishers. (INF)


French (FR) (PO)(SP)(JA)
Guides
A Guide to the French by __Sephiroth__ - General guide, containing many French strats contained in the other guides as well as some general French strategy tips
Crazymoose's Guide de la France - General guide, containing many French strats contained in the other guides as well as some general French strategy tips

Strategies
Cuirs are cool, the French Cavalry Semi-FF - [CavSemi]- Incognoto's semi- ff with hussars (CH)(RU) (FF) (BOOM)
French Hussar Semi-FF - [CavSemi] - iTech64's semi- ff with hussars, slightly different from Incy's (CH) (RU) (FF) (BOOM)
French 2x Muskets - [Inf] - iTech64's musket rush, especially good on vanilla since not many civs have anything that counters muskets without micro in colonial (CAV)
French 2x Xbow Rush - [Inf] - iTech64's xbow rush. A good general BO, but I would put ~10 cdb on wood in transition instead of the 7 he advises. (IQ)(IN)(OT)(INF)
The PHAT or Hussar Start starts you off with in colonial with hussars instead of infantry, which can be eaqsily added later.
10 Musket Semi- FF - [InfSemi] - My 10 musket semi- ff, good against civs that are going to rush with xbows (vanilla), hussars/musket, hussar semi-ff, pure musket/pure hussar rush and booming strategies. (BOOM) (CAV) (CAVSEMI)
Demonstrating 3 French BOs. 3 very good strats to start out with france. A full hussar start which add bows later, a start in which u get pikes + hussar out real quick to counter all 5 hussar semi's and a strat for a 5 hussar semi with dual stable and 2nd hunt upgrade.


German (GM)(SP)(PO)
Cookie's Xbow Contain VOD [Inf] (INF)
Parfait's Xbow Contain VOD [Inf] (INF)


India (IN)(DU)(JA)
Guides
India Guide featuring a few strategies, such as the ones below along with a FF and KarniColonial
Strategies
10/10 - [Inf] - One of the RE patch top strats; a very fast, hard hitting rush. (SEMI) (FF)(BOOM)(CAV)
The Indian Tower of Doom An Indian strategy created to aide the India non-lameness of the FP.


Iroquois (IQ) (SP)(DU)(JA)(RU)
Iroquois BB Rush - [Inf] - James146's guide to the lame Iro BB rush, the premier lame Iro strategy. (SEMI)(BOOM)(FF)(CAV)
Iroquois SemiFF Discussion - The dawn of the FanPatch and higher-tier players prove the BB rush obselete: an alternative SemiFF gives some strategy variety (BOOM)(RUSH)


Japan (JA) (PO) (BR) (RU) (OT) (IQ) (IN) (FR) (DU)
Guides
Japanese Colonial Guide A guide brought to you be Bart which shows this civ's strengths, weaknesses, and what-to-do's

Strategies
Japanese Shrine Boom - [Boom] - The ultimate lame 1.01a strat, strong vs civs who FF or Boom. (FF)(BOOM)
Japanese Consulate Strat Strong strat for defending rushes, or to rush. Can be done with yumi/clubs or ashi/shinobi
Japanese FI NOT A GIMMICK STRAT. Very popular in the Asian community. And you know how those Asians are...


Ottoman Empire (OT) (JA) (PO) (SX)
Guides
Rise of Istanbul: A Guide to the Ottomans Sepiroth's general guide to the Ottomans. Outdated, but full of general concepts for the Ottomans.
An Ottoman Winter - A beginners Guide to the Ottomans Voodoo Boss' general guide to the Ottomans. Outdated, but full of general concepts for the Ottomans.

Strategies
Spahi Fast Fortress - [FF] - Appreciate the true power of Ottoman cavalry with this FF. Crippling to some rushes. (RU)
Ottoman Jan/Abus Rush - [Inf] - Fairly recent strong rush with very early Jan/Abus combo (INF)
8 Hussar Start - [Cav] - An effective way to stray away from Jan Rushing, meant for early large raids and fending of RI defense.
Otto Semi FI - A strategy mainly used for when you don't plan to be attacked hard early on, so that you get extremely strong Spahi/Great Bombards out with shipments.

Portugal (PO) (OT)(SP) (DU) (FR) (GM) (JA)
Guides
Micky Tee's Guide to Portugal A great guide to learn the basics and the advanced strategies of Portugal gameplay

Strategies
Husky's Port Strat - [Cav] A full hussar start for ports
Sami's Strat - Straight FF (VOD)


Russia (RU) (JA) (SX) (AZ) (IQ)
Guides
The Russian complete Guide General Guide to Russia with unit stats and card comparison. Includes 3 strats aswell.
Settler Correlation - Russia My own "spreadsheet" to help you build an economy to fit your needs rather specifically, reegardless of villager count.

Strategies
The RUMM Rush - [Inf] - A musket heavy rush for Russia. Can work well vs cavalry starts (VAN) (SX)(GR(FR)(CAV)(CAVSEMI)
Musket Cossack Rush - [Inf] - My own concoction; exactly as it sounds. A rush with Muskets and Cossacks in the begining.(SX)(GR(FR)(CAV)(CAVSEMI)
The Russian WAR - [Cav] - Another of my own strategies, which uses Russia's cavalry to start. (CH)(RU)(AZ)(SP)(FR)(INF)
Russian Strelet+Cossack Rush - [Inf] - Solid Russian old school rush going for an early blockhouse+stable
Manchu FF - [FF] - Tired of pesky fortress cavalry and cannons stomping your colonial army? This FF is the answer!


Spanish (SP)(PO)(FR)(GM)(IQ)
Spain ATP Semi FF on Mongolia Semi FF guide designed for Mongolia, but works on any TP heavy map really.
Spanish FF BO - [FF] - Basic FF by Droideka. Not as strong as in Vanilla, but still one their best strategies.
SpaColi! - [Boom] - Named and created by Incogonoto, this strategy bypasses the usual FF for an upgraded economy with harassment and/or defense.
Spain Rodelero 2v2 Though weak on their own, Rodeleroes are a great with sturdy RI company.
Spain Eco Semi The 331 dutchies give us an eco-strong start with a varied finish!

Sioux (SX) (OT) (RU) (DU)(AZ)
Guides
Sioux Survival Guide: The Last Stand An overall guide to sioux with the generic strategies written for each, including FF, Club rush, ottoman strangle, etc.
A European Invasion: Beginners guide to the Sioux Another overall guide, with Cetan rushes and Fast Fortresses.

Strategies
Sioux Power Fortress - [EcoSemi] - A strategy that gets you to fortress early with a great economy and many shipments
The SPAR - [Inf] - Asko's Sioux Pistolerro rush can be used in mirrors, orr against brits, ottos, russians, for major success at any level. (BR)(RU)(OT)(SX)
The Sioux SAFF - [CavSemi] - A semi Fast Fortress that has you raiding with 9 axe and getting to fort soon afterward.
The Sioux Cavalry Cavalcade Has you fighting in colonial with bow riders and axes, then in fortress with Rifle Riders and Wakinas

2v2
Francisco Franco Surprise - [Inf] - Don't doubt it. Despite its appearance as a nooby 2v2 pike rush, it wrecks.


Closing Notes
This is also a great time to write up any strategies you have been writing up or write up commonly used build orders that don't have a write-up yet. I will be trying stuff too with civilizations I can play well.

[This message has been edited by O_man0 (edited 11-29-2010 @ 06:13 PM).]

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Mariomasta RJK
Skirmisher
posted 11-24-09 05:57 AM EDT (US)     101 / 151       
Also, add drizzydrops aztecs semi FF rush bluff. I find it unbelievably effective, and I use that with a few variations for most of my aztec games.

Aztecs Semi FF bluff/ FF War Machine

DISTISOP
ESO: Blitzkrieg_Mario
Prefered civs: Hell, I like them all.
Rank: TWC PR 18 (master sergeant) TAD PR 17, Vanilla PR 12

Clan: Triple Entente
Favorite games: Dofus, AoE 3, Tremulous, CoD 4, SSBB, Urban Terror

[This message has been edited by Mariomasta RJK (edited 11-24-2009 @ 06:08 AM).]

wonkwink
Skirmisher
posted 11-24-09 04:29 PM EDT (US)     102 / 151       
What makes something a civ's main unit? Lots of ports players spam goons but obviously vs. someone who uses an infantry based army they will switch to a wiser combo. To me the main Ports unit is actually Xbows.

Ports boom is unlimited while brits boom can only make 20 villagers from the manors...unless they get into industrial and use up a card on estates. Ports also have some good fortress abilities that they can exploit early on, whereas brits aren't really that strong in forts until later (which is when ports are still stronger). These are my main reasons against Brits > Ports.

But Germany is a civ that can be added to port's weaknesses IMO.

ESO name: wonkwink
Mariomasta RJK
Skirmisher
posted 11-25-09 06:27 AM EDT (US)     103 / 151       
But the huge differences are that brits still have vil shipments, can build manors in discovery, and their effects are much more immediate

DISTISOP
ESO: Blitzkrieg_Mario
Prefered civs: Hell, I like them all.
Rank: TWC PR 18 (master sergeant) TAD PR 17, Vanilla PR 12

Clan: Triple Entente
Favorite games: Dofus, AoE 3, Tremulous, CoD 4, SSBB, Urban Terror
O_man0
Skirmisher
posted 11-25-09 12:11 PM EDT (US)     104 / 151       
Eh manors in discovery isnt a big deal.

Neither is the immediate effects thing, since unless the brit goes full boom, the effects will be just about equal (besides the brit obviously having more vils upon aging)

1st Leiut. with Russia , Master Sergeant with everything else.
My skill level is incalculable!!! Its been forever since I played seriously...
Mike Sass: Culverins are like Garrichistos, only theyre cannons.
Bart331
Skirmisher
posted 11-26-09 09:07 AM EDT (US)     105 / 151       
the problem is that whatever happens brit eco > port eco, cause the manor boom is a lot quicker then the 3TC boom.

SUNIL IS NUB!!!

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ESO:Bart331
Mariomasta RJK
Skirmisher
posted 11-26-09 12:46 PM EDT (US)     106 / 151       
Ofc the vil from manors helps in discovery, it helps you kick off your eco, and you get more houses built in transition.

DISTISOP
ESO: Blitzkrieg_Mario
Prefered civs: Hell, I like them all.
Rank: TWC PR 18 (master sergeant) TAD PR 17, Vanilla PR 12

Clan: Triple Entente
Favorite games: Dofus, AoE 3, Tremulous, CoD 4, SSBB, Urban Terror
O_man0
Skirmisher
posted 11-28-09 09:15 PM EDT (US)     107 / 151       
Alright, Im going to stick in what strats in general each strat works well against. CAV being cav start, INF being Infantry Start, FF being a FF/Semi, and BOOM being Boom. If anyone wants to help me out, thanks.

1st Leiut. with Russia , Master Sergeant with everything else.
My skill level is incalculable!!! Its been forever since I played seriously...
Mike Sass: Culverins are like Garrichistos, only theyre cannons.
wonkwink
Skirmisher
posted 11-28-09 10:15 PM EDT (US)     108 / 151       
^NIce

That's what the guide really needed.

Also list next to the strategy what strat-type it is itself in addition to what it beats...for those strats without the strat-type in the name.


Edit: You might also want to have semi FF and naked FF seperate categories. Some semi FFs are meant to be antirush (most rushes are listed as good vs. FF on this guide). And most are anti pure FF (harrassment on a defenseless town). So semi>rush and semi>pure. But pure<rush and pure<semi. They should be seperated IMO because the effect of a strategy will differ if used on one rather than the other.

ESO name: wonkwink

[This message has been edited by wonkwink (edited 11-28-2009 @ 10:27 PM).]

CrazyLunatic
Veteran Musketeer
posted 11-28-09 10:19 PM EDT (US)     109 / 151       
yay GJ it's stickied!

QUACK
O_man0
Skirmisher
posted 11-28-09 11:11 PM EDT (US)     110 / 151       
A little slow crazy

I'll see what I can do about that. But there are some cases where the semi will actually just set you behind against a rush. Like a cav semi; its not really for defending against a rush, while a musk semi is more suitable for such. But yes, generally semi>pure

1st Leiut. with Russia , Master Sergeant with everything else.
My skill level is incalculable!!! Its been forever since I played seriously...
Mike Sass: Culverins are like Garrichistos, only theyre cannons.
CrazyLunatic
Veteran Musketeer
posted 11-29-09 00:26 AM EDT (US)     111 / 151       
i honestly didn't notice that it was stickied until now somehow even though i come on every day lol... when was it stickied?

QUACK
DukeLeto
Skirmisher
posted 11-29-09 00:34 AM EDT (US)     112 / 151       
ckei
Skirmisher
posted 11-30-09 07:46 AM EDT (US)     113 / 151       
*chough Ottoman 8 hussar start chough*

¨°ºO "All you big boys stay back and let me do my thaaaang"Oº°‘¨

[This message has been edited by ckei (edited 11-30-2009 @ 07:49 AM).]

CookieCrisp13
Skirmisher
posted 12-07-09 05:16 PM EDT (US)     114 / 151       
Otto 8 hussar start reminds me of my first guide..
http://aoe3.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/forums/display.cgi?action=ct&f=15,30801,,all

don't bother adding it, but Fun stuff

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LordKivlov
Royal Guard
posted 12-09-09 07:05 PM EDT (US)     115 / 151       
http://aoe3.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/forums/display.cgi?action=ct&f=15,33184,,all

I only ever lost once doing this.

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A414A_Incog
Veteran Musketeer I
posted 12-27-09 10:04 AM EDT (US)     116 / 151       
Interesting strat Kivlov, very interesting strat. Nice idea, very nice idea.
O_man0
Skirmisher
posted 12-27-09 10:58 AM EDT (US)     117 / 151       
Yeah, it seems like an odd strategy but in reality it works really well. I was smoked by it once. Not that I'm a good team player but still.

1st Leiut. with Russia , Master Sergeant with everything else.
My skill level is incalculable!!! Its been forever since I played seriously...
Mike Sass: Culverins are like Garrichistos, only theyre cannons.
ChrisTheMean
Skirmisher
posted 12-28-09 01:31 PM EDT (US)     118 / 151       
This is a great resource! The two links for 1x1's china strats are not publicly available to not TE peeps, is there another link, or can they be posted here perhaps?

ESO:ChrisTheMean
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Of myChinese Confucian Confusion FF MarneusCalgar said, "It sounds like an 70's kung-fu movie." And it is.
O_man0
Skirmisher
posted 12-28-09 03:45 PM EDT (US)     119 / 151       
Thanks! He has not posted the other one yet, but the FF is available here and is in the link.

1st Leiut. with Russia , Master Sergeant with everything else.
My skill level is incalculable!!! Its been forever since I played seriously...
Mike Sass: Culverins are like Garrichistos, only theyre cannons.
dOPplesaurus
Skirmisher
posted 12-28-09 07:25 PM EDT (US)     120 / 151       
hey Onub, china is not weak against dutch. Just FF and you'll be fine. With good practise china can match pretty much all civs except for iroquois and aztecs.
Ha_Luke
Sig Award Winner
posted 12-29-09 04:01 AM EDT (US)     121 / 151       
hey Onub, china is not weak against dutch. Just FF and you'll be fine.
And we are back to the page 1 discussion

But as I said then, only if the China player goes old han + 1 steppe shipment, the Dutch are better. If a China player does a FF, the Dutch player is screwed.

So you are right, China isn't weak against Dutch.

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CrazyLunatic
Veteran Musketeer
posted 12-29-09 01:57 PM EDT (US)     122 / 151       
But as I said then, only if the China player goes old han + 1 steppe shipment, the Dutch are better. If a China player does a FF, the Dutch player is screwed.
i've beaten baert and jonub's dutch with old han rush before!

QUACK

[This message has been edited by crazyLUNATIC (edited 12-29-2009 @ 01:57 PM).]

Ha_Luke
Sig Award Winner
posted 12-29-09 02:05 PM EDT (US)     123 / 151       
i've beaten baert and jonub's dutch with old han rush before!
Lol.

But you have also been beaten by me before while you were doing an old han rush!

"There must be some way out of here," said the joker to the thief
[TΣ]_Ha_Luke_331



"All murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets."
-Voltaire
"A good decision is based on knowledge and not on numbers. " - Plato
CrazyLunatic
Veteran Musketeer
posted 12-29-09 07:37 PM EDT (US)     124 / 151       
But you have also been beaten by me before while you were doing an old han rush!
ya, i've been beaten by their dutch also by old han rush, but it sometimes does work 21

also why are mai strats not here!?

PHAT (works on any version)

Brit nat rush (note for nilla)

Spain rod 2v2 (Just edited it so it's compatible for TAD and Nilla!)

QUACK
wonkwink
Skirmisher
posted 01-10-10 09:03 PM EDT (US)     125 / 151       
Sioux pwn ottos.
And so far in my experience they beat France aswell.

ESO name: wonkwink
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