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O_man0
Skirmisher
posted 10-22-09 09:13 PM EDT (US)         
The Guide to all Guides

As my 1000th post, I know decide that I will hopefully change advance the community for good (AKA earn a sticky).
I dont know about all of the forummers, but I know that I certainly have not tried out every civilization in the game to a high degree, know many complex strategies with these civilizations, or even know what civilizations are weak or strong against some others. Knowing the play styles and strategies of all the civilizations is essential to becoming better at this game, since it is all about prediction and countering appropriately.

With that said, people like me, who do not know what each civilization is capable of to the most precise degree, are at somewhat of a disadvantage. Now what I knew exactly what my opponent will do and exactly what I should do to counter it? I would most likely win the match. This is where this guide comes into play.
What exactly is this guide? It will be a collection of the most popular and effective strategies for each civilization, each with its appropriate counters and strengths. This way, anybody using or playing against these strategies will know generally what the most efficient way to defeat it is, even if they are supposedly at a disadvantage by it. Thats some pretty valuable information.

But theres one problem. I obviously do not have all of the information necessary to complete this guide. So this is why I call on you, the forummers, to help me complete this guide, for the good of all the other forummers.

Heres the Basic Setup.

Civ Name & Abbreviation (Civ Abrrev. this civ is good against) (Civ Abbrev. this civ is bad against)
Strat Link Type of Strategy(most useful against these civs/strats) (least useful against these civs/strats)
Helpful hints for strategy above that are otherwise not provided, or a concise write up for the strategy if is a recording, not a write up
Same as above, et cetera, et cetera.
Short strategies that are particularly effective against civs that this civ has trouble with.


So, to start, there will be no strategies on here other that Cookies and Parfaits Crossbow Contain VODs, since these are the only two sources I have really very useful. Anyways, to submit a strategy, just link it to the thread. I would like to limit off-topic posting as much as possible. Links and anything regarding the strategies is fine. Ill also need you to tell me what civilizations are at an advantage or disadvantage to others, since I am fairly uninformed on the matter.
So to start us off...

Aztec (AZ) (CH)(DU)(RU)(SX)
Guides
Aztec Colonial Guide - [Rush] - A guide discussing the several options for the Aztecs in colonial. (FF) (BOOM)
Aztec Rush Bluff Semi-FF - [InfSemi] - This strategy takes advantage of the 'Aztec Rush' concept by furthering it to a quick age-up.


British (BR) (DU)(JA)
Guides
Rise to the British Empire - General and very thorough guide to the British

Strategies
The British Hussar Musket Combo - Well written guide to an early Hussar/Musket Combo
21 Musket Rush - [Rush] - Very hard musket rush utilizing very early 2 barracks
The British Musket Sting - Similar to 21 musket rush with only 1 barracks
Brit Native Rush A Nilla strat which takes advantage of the wood cost of natives, the natives treaty card, and the british longbow, for a versatile unit combination.


China (CH)(AZ)(IQ)
Guides
Basics of China An almost all-encompassing China guide, with details on the consolate, banner armies, cards, and more.

Strategies
Basic China Colonial - By the modest 1x1
Basic China FF - [FF] - By the modest 1x1

Dutch (DU)(PO) (JA) (SX) (IQ) (IN) (BR) (AZ)
Guides
The Rise of Amsterdam V2 - A good overview of the dutch civ with some nice strats.

Strategies
Mrmilo Dutch FF! - [EcoSemi] - The classic 3 bank ff, great strat! (FF) (BOOM)
2 Dutch Semi-FF's Very strong semi-ff strats (FF) (BOOM)
Dutch Defensive Skirms The basics of a Dutch Rush Defense, based on using you buildings as a sheild for your skirmishers. (INF)


French (FR) (PO)(SP)(JA)
Guides
A Guide to the French by __Sephiroth__ - General guide, containing many French strats contained in the other guides as well as some general French strategy tips
Crazymoose's Guide de la France - General guide, containing many French strats contained in the other guides as well as some general French strategy tips

Strategies
Cuirs are cool, the French Cavalry Semi-FF - [CavSemi]- Incognoto's semi- ff with hussars (CH)(RU) (FF) (BOOM)
French Hussar Semi-FF - [CavSemi] - iTech64's semi- ff with hussars, slightly different from Incy's (CH) (RU) (FF) (BOOM)
French 2x Muskets - [Inf] - iTech64's musket rush, especially good on vanilla since not many civs have anything that counters muskets without micro in colonial (CAV)
French 2x Xbow Rush - [Inf] - iTech64's xbow rush. A good general BO, but I would put ~10 cdb on wood in transition instead of the 7 he advises. (IQ)(IN)(OT)(INF)
The PHAT or Hussar Start starts you off with in colonial with hussars instead of infantry, which can be eaqsily added later.
10 Musket Semi- FF - [InfSemi] - My 10 musket semi- ff, good against civs that are going to rush with xbows (vanilla), hussars/musket, hussar semi-ff, pure musket/pure hussar rush and booming strategies. (BOOM) (CAV) (CAVSEMI)
Demonstrating 3 French BOs. 3 very good strats to start out with france. A full hussar start which add bows later, a start in which u get pikes + hussar out real quick to counter all 5 hussar semi's and a strat for a 5 hussar semi with dual stable and 2nd hunt upgrade.


German (GM)(SP)(PO)
Cookie's Xbow Contain VOD [Inf] (INF)
Parfait's Xbow Contain VOD [Inf] (INF)


India (IN)(DU)(JA)
Guides
India Guide featuring a few strategies, such as the ones below along with a FF and KarniColonial
Strategies
10/10 - [Inf] - One of the RE patch top strats; a very fast, hard hitting rush. (SEMI) (FF)(BOOM)(CAV)
The Indian Tower of Doom An Indian strategy created to aide the India non-lameness of the FP.


Iroquois (IQ) (SP)(DU)(JA)(RU)
Iroquois BB Rush - [Inf] - James146's guide to the lame Iro BB rush, the premier lame Iro strategy. (SEMI)(BOOM)(FF)(CAV)
Iroquois SemiFF Discussion - The dawn of the FanPatch and higher-tier players prove the BB rush obselete: an alternative SemiFF gives some strategy variety (BOOM)(RUSH)


Japan (JA) (PO) (BR) (RU) (OT) (IQ) (IN) (FR) (DU)
Guides
Japanese Colonial Guide A guide brought to you be Bart which shows this civ's strengths, weaknesses, and what-to-do's

Strategies
Japanese Shrine Boom - [Boom] - The ultimate lame 1.01a strat, strong vs civs who FF or Boom. (FF)(BOOM)
Japanese Consulate Strat Strong strat for defending rushes, or to rush. Can be done with yumi/clubs or ashi/shinobi
Japanese FI NOT A GIMMICK STRAT. Very popular in the Asian community. And you know how those Asians are...


Ottoman Empire (OT) (JA) (PO) (SX)
Guides
Rise of Istanbul: A Guide to the Ottomans Sepiroth's general guide to the Ottomans. Outdated, but full of general concepts for the Ottomans.
An Ottoman Winter - A beginners Guide to the Ottomans Voodoo Boss' general guide to the Ottomans. Outdated, but full of general concepts for the Ottomans.

Strategies
Spahi Fast Fortress - [FF] - Appreciate the true power of Ottoman cavalry with this FF. Crippling to some rushes. (RU)
Ottoman Jan/Abus Rush - [Inf] - Fairly recent strong rush with very early Jan/Abus combo (INF)
8 Hussar Start - [Cav] - An effective way to stray away from Jan Rushing, meant for early large raids and fending of RI defense.
Otto Semi FI - A strategy mainly used for when you don't plan to be attacked hard early on, so that you get extremely strong Spahi/Great Bombards out with shipments.

Portugal (PO) (OT)(SP) (DU) (FR) (GM) (JA)
Guides
Micky Tee's Guide to Portugal A great guide to learn the basics and the advanced strategies of Portugal gameplay

Strategies
Husky's Port Strat - [Cav] A full hussar start for ports
Sami's Strat - Straight FF (VOD)


Russia (RU) (JA) (SX) (AZ) (IQ)
Guides
The Russian complete Guide General Guide to Russia with unit stats and card comparison. Includes 3 strats aswell.
Settler Correlation - Russia My own "spreadsheet" to help you build an economy to fit your needs rather specifically, reegardless of villager count.

Strategies
The RUMM Rush - [Inf] - A musket heavy rush for Russia. Can work well vs cavalry starts (VAN) (SX)(GR(FR)(CAV)(CAVSEMI)
Musket Cossack Rush - [Inf] - My own concoction; exactly as it sounds. A rush with Muskets and Cossacks in the begining.(SX)(GR(FR)(CAV)(CAVSEMI)
The Russian WAR - [Cav] - Another of my own strategies, which uses Russia's cavalry to start. (CH)(RU)(AZ)(SP)(FR)(INF)
Russian Strelet+Cossack Rush - [Inf] - Solid Russian old school rush going for an early blockhouse+stable
Manchu FF - [FF] - Tired of pesky fortress cavalry and cannons stomping your colonial army? This FF is the answer!


Spanish (SP)(PO)(FR)(GM)(IQ)
Spain ATP Semi FF on Mongolia Semi FF guide designed for Mongolia, but works on any TP heavy map really.
Spanish FF BO - [FF] - Basic FF by Droideka. Not as strong as in Vanilla, but still one their best strategies.
SpaColi! - [Boom] - Named and created by Incogonoto, this strategy bypasses the usual FF for an upgraded economy with harassment and/or defense.
Spain Rodelero 2v2 Though weak on their own, Rodeleroes are a great with sturdy RI company.
Spain Eco Semi The 331 dutchies give us an eco-strong start with a varied finish!

Sioux (SX) (OT) (RU) (DU)(AZ)
Guides
Sioux Survival Guide: The Last Stand An overall guide to sioux with the generic strategies written for each, including FF, Club rush, ottoman strangle, etc.
A European Invasion: Beginners guide to the Sioux Another overall guide, with Cetan rushes and Fast Fortresses.

Strategies
Sioux Power Fortress - [EcoSemi] - A strategy that gets you to fortress early with a great economy and many shipments
The SPAR - [Inf] - Asko's Sioux Pistolerro rush can be used in mirrors, orr against brits, ottos, russians, for major success at any level. (BR)(RU)(OT)(SX)
The Sioux SAFF - [CavSemi] - A semi Fast Fortress that has you raiding with 9 axe and getting to fort soon afterward.
The Sioux Cavalry Cavalcade Has you fighting in colonial with bow riders and axes, then in fortress with Rifle Riders and Wakinas

2v2
Francisco Franco Surprise - [Inf] - Don't doubt it. Despite its appearance as a nooby 2v2 pike rush, it wrecks.


Closing Notes
This is also a great time to write up any strategies you have been writing up or write up commonly used build orders that don't have a write-up yet. I will be trying stuff too with civilizations I can play well.

[This message has been edited by O_man0 (edited 11-29-2010 @ 06:13 PM).]

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O_man0
Skirmisher
posted 10-24-09 09:59 PM EDT (US)     26 / 151       
Thank you Crazy, but I think it needs to get a little more active to get stickied. Like if you look, 6 of 14 civs have nothing written up for them. If someone could write up strats that would be great. I guess I'll do Russia Musk/Cossack, simply because they literally have no BOs out there.

I'll let you guys discuss the whole Dutch v. Japan/China thing. Give me the verdict and I'll change it.

1st Leiut. with Russia , Master Sergeant with everything else.
My skill level is incalculable!!! Its been forever since I played seriously...
Mike Sass: Culverins are like Garrichistos, only theyre cannons.
CrazyLunatic
Veteran Musketeer
posted 10-25-09 01:36 AM EDT (US)     27 / 151       
there are already things for russia, check arcane_ranger's RUMM rush and i think james246 posted a strelet+cossack rush BO

and the india 10/10 rush that's already in the stickied section still works

QUACK

[This message has been edited by crazyLUNATIC (edited 10-25-2009 @ 01:37 AM).]

DukeLeto
Skirmisher
posted 10-25-09 01:37 AM EDT (US)     28 / 151       
I don't play these civs but here are some nice looking guides I've seen:
Spanish FF BO - Droideka_11
More to be addded later.
Bart331
Skirmisher
posted 10-25-09 04:00 AM EDT (US)     29 / 151       
Dutch vs Japan can go with very different ways but there are some general principles.

Japs shrine boom > Dutch bank boom
Japs rush > Dutch rush
Japs rush > Dutch semi ff/Dutch bank boom
Dutch rush > Japs shrine boom
Dutch colonial defense > Japs rush

So yeah if the jap is a complete idiot and wants to shrine boom vs dutch and the dutch happens to rush with skirm /pike dutch can win. In most other scenario's i think Japs are stronger. Talking about RE here.

SUNIL IS NUB!!!

Battle.net:Bart (227)
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mathemagician198
Skirmisher
posted 10-25-09 09:28 AM EDT (US)     30 / 151       
Spain ATP Semi FF on Mongolia Semi FF guide designed for Mongolia, but works on any TP heavy map really.

Here are the links Crazylunatic mentioned:

The RUMM Rush A musket heavy rush for Russia. Can work well vs cav starts (sioux, germans, france)

The Russian complete Guide General Guide to Russia with unit stats and card comparison. Includes 3 strats aswell.

Russian Strelet+Cossack Rush Solid Russian old school rush going for an early blockhouse+stable


General suggestion: we should make clear in which game version and which patch which strat works. Sometimes it's obvious, sometimes minor changes can make it work in a different patch aswell, etc.

[This message has been edited by mathemagician198 (edited 10-25-2009 @ 10:07 AM).]

O_man0
Skirmisher
posted 10-25-09 10:42 AM EDT (US)     31 / 151       
RAR Crazy just get me the links and they are on.

Link posters, gracias.

Bart, the way you described it, dutch can beat all of japan's strats with either skirms defense or rush, both of which you control the game by. So if you can effectively choose which strategy they are doing, you can counter it.

If they are booming, you can rush, and then you control the game.

If they are rushing you use skirm defense, then you control the game.

1st Leiut. with Russia , Master Sergeant with everything else.
My skill level is incalculable!!! Its been forever since I played seriously...
Mike Sass: Culverins are like Garrichistos, only theyre cannons.
Conquerer_MAG
Skirmisher
posted 10-25-09 12:12 PM EDT (US)     32 / 151       
and the india 10/10 rush that's already in the stickied section still works
SHHH!!!!!!!

Oh and Bart, that's probably why we disagree - I'm on straight up FP here in MacLand.

GR acc name: Ultraviolet [egn]
'hey l0bst0r3r!! r u j3w!sH ?? c@n U t3LL m3 wH3r3 t0 g3t s0m3 k0sH0r r3c!p3s?
i l!k3 k0sh0r f00d th3r3's a j00ish r3st4ur4nt 4r0uNd t3h c0rn0r but it's s0 3xp3ns!v3'
-l33th4x0r
CrazyLunatic
Veteran Musketeer
posted 10-25-09 12:26 PM EDT (US)     33 / 151       
1x1 wrote a good china guide at the TE forums which is probably good to have here, but i'm toooo lazy to find links

QUACK
Bart331
Skirmisher
posted 10-25-09 03:41 PM EDT (US)     34 / 151       
yeah japan differs a bit between RE amd FP

SUNIL IS NUB!!!

Battle.net:Bart (227)
ESO:Bart331
Bart331
Skirmisher
posted 10-27-09 08:58 AM EDT (US)     35 / 151       
hmm since eso is down i can add some stuff for this

Since dopple is to shy to post it himself:

China:

Basic China Colonial
Basic China ff
Basics of China

SUNIL IS NUB!!!

Battle.net:Bart (227)
ESO:Bart331
Conquerer_MAG
Skirmisher
posted 10-27-09 05:26 PM EDT (US)     36 / 151       
0Man, take out that Stadhouder FI, no offense to micky_tee, but it's wayyyyyy outdated and frankly wasn't even that powerful when it was at its prime.

GR acc name: Ultraviolet [egn]
'hey l0bst0r3r!! r u j3w!sH ?? c@n U t3LL m3 wH3r3 t0 g3t s0m3 k0sH0r r3c!p3s?
i l!k3 k0sh0r f00d th3r3's a j00ish r3st4ur4nt 4r0uNd t3h c0rn0r but it's s0 3xp3ns!v3'
-l33th4x0r
Colonel_UGMO
Veteran Musketeer (Content Contributor)
posted 10-27-09 06:16 PM EDT (US)     37 / 151       
Isn't there already one of these?

ESO NAME: UGMO
RANK: 1st Lieutenant
I AM USING: TAD
I AM PLAYING: The Aztecs, British and Russians
.oO James246: Well, you wouldn't be able to sigg any dumb things I say, because I don't say them. :P Oo.
CrazyLunatic
Veteran Musketeer
posted 10-27-09 08:23 PM EDT (US)     38 / 151       
ya but the stickies are quite a bit outdated...

QUACK
O_man0
Skirmisher
posted 10-28-09 02:40 PM EDT (US)     39 / 151       
yeah, plus im trying to specify which strats are good against which civs. Thanks for the china stuff bart. and i took out the stadhouder thing, your right. But is the stadhouder card itself worth putting in your deck?

1st Leiut. with Russia , Master Sergeant with everything else.
My skill level is incalculable!!! Its been forever since I played seriously...
Mike Sass: Culverins are like Garrichistos, only theyre cannons.
dOPplesaurus
Skirmisher
posted 10-28-09 04:35 PM EDT (US)     40 / 151       
Basics of China By the modest 1x1
ckei.

Also the FF isn't really that good yet, duck was supposed to format it but I guess he forgot
Emperor_Kyle
Skirmisher
posted 10-28-09 05:10 PM EDT (US)     41 / 151       
Whoa...UGMO. Brings back memories of guys like Dabottle and Giskard.

ESO2: Kyle_The_Brave
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Bart331
Skirmisher
posted 10-28-09 07:55 PM EDT (US)     42 / 151       
well the whole stadhouder strat is a great strat for vanilla, but on tad its rather useless

SUNIL IS NUB!!!

Battle.net:Bart (227)
ESO:Bart331
O_man0
Skirmisher
posted 10-28-09 09:45 PM EDT (US)     43 / 151       
oh woops! are all of the by ckie? or just that one?

i know right, weird threads bring back old members... i wonder if he lurks here often?

1st Leiut. with Russia , Master Sergeant with everything else.
My skill level is incalculable!!! Its been forever since I played seriously...
Mike Sass: Culverins are like Garrichistos, only theyre cannons.
Bart331
Skirmisher
posted 10-29-09 04:38 AM EDT (US)     44 / 151       
One is of ckei, rest is of 1x1

SUNIL IS NUB!!!

Battle.net:Bart (227)
ESO:Bart331
CrazyLunatic
Veteran Musketeer
posted 10-29-09 03:07 PM EDT (US)     45 / 151       
you mean "the modest 1x1"

QUACK
Mariomasta RJK
Skirmisher
posted 10-29-09 04:50 PM EDT (US)     46 / 151       
Put up my Spahi cannons FF ^^.

DISTISOP
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Prefered civs: Hell, I like them all.
Rank: TWC PR 18 (master sergeant) TAD PR 17, Vanilla PR 12

Clan: Triple Entente
Favorite games: Dofus, AoE 3, Tremulous, CoD 4, SSBB, Urban Terror
Conquerer_MAG
Skirmisher
posted 10-29-09 05:28 PM EDT (US)     47 / 151       
And my defensive skirms strat; search 'Dutch Defensive Skirms' in the search thingy.

GR acc name: Ultraviolet [egn]
'hey l0bst0r3r!! r u j3w!sH ?? c@n U t3LL m3 wH3r3 t0 g3t s0m3 k0sH0r r3c!p3s?
i l!k3 k0sh0r f00d th3r3's a j00ish r3st4ur4nt 4r0uNd t3h c0rn0r but it's s0 3xp3ns!v3'
-l33th4x0r
O_man0
Skirmisher
posted 10-29-09 06:13 PM EDT (US)     48 / 151       
Yes, 1x1 is now ofishallay 'the modest 1x1'

Anyways thanks guys. Im writing a Musket Cossack Strat as we speak and should have it up by tonight or midday tommorow.

1st Leiut. with Russia , Master Sergeant with everything else.
My skill level is incalculable!!! Its been forever since I played seriously...
Mike Sass: Culverins are like Garrichistos, only theyre cannons.
Fuzzy044
Skirmisher
posted 11-02-09 09:54 PM EDT (US)     49 / 151       
Bump add Manchu in this plz O_man :P

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Rank: Master Sergeant lvl 17 OP!!!!
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1X1 is nice

[This message has been edited by Fuzzy044 (edited 11-02-2009 @ 09:55 PM).]

DukeLeto
Skirmisher
posted 11-02-09 10:08 PM EDT (US)     50 / 151       
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