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O_man0
Skirmisher
posted 10-22-09 09:13 PM EDT (US)         
The Guide to all Guides

As my 1000th post, I know decide that I will hopefully change advance the community for good (AKA earn a sticky).
I dont know about all of the forummers, but I know that I certainly have not tried out every civilization in the game to a high degree, know many complex strategies with these civilizations, or even know what civilizations are weak or strong against some others. Knowing the play styles and strategies of all the civilizations is essential to becoming better at this game, since it is all about prediction and countering appropriately.

With that said, people like me, who do not know what each civilization is capable of to the most precise degree, are at somewhat of a disadvantage. Now what I knew exactly what my opponent will do and exactly what I should do to counter it? I would most likely win the match. This is where this guide comes into play.
What exactly is this guide? It will be a collection of the most popular and effective strategies for each civilization, each with its appropriate counters and strengths. This way, anybody using or playing against these strategies will know generally what the most efficient way to defeat it is, even if they are supposedly at a disadvantage by it. Thats some pretty valuable information.

But theres one problem. I obviously do not have all of the information necessary to complete this guide. So this is why I call on you, the forummers, to help me complete this guide, for the good of all the other forummers.

Heres the Basic Setup.

Civ Name & Abbreviation (Civ Abrrev. this civ is good against) (Civ Abbrev. this civ is bad against)
Strat Link Type of Strategy(most useful against these civs/strats) (least useful against these civs/strats)
Helpful hints for strategy above that are otherwise not provided, or a concise write up for the strategy if is a recording, not a write up
Same as above, et cetera, et cetera.
Short strategies that are particularly effective against civs that this civ has trouble with.


So, to start, there will be no strategies on here other that Cookies and Parfaits Crossbow Contain VODs, since these are the only two sources I have really very useful. Anyways, to submit a strategy, just link it to the thread. I would like to limit off-topic posting as much as possible. Links and anything regarding the strategies is fine. Ill also need you to tell me what civilizations are at an advantage or disadvantage to others, since I am fairly uninformed on the matter.
So to start us off...

Aztec (AZ) (CH)(DU)(RU)(SX)
Guides
Aztec Colonial Guide - [Rush] - A guide discussing the several options for the Aztecs in colonial. (FF) (BOOM)
Aztec Rush Bluff Semi-FF - [InfSemi] - This strategy takes advantage of the 'Aztec Rush' concept by furthering it to a quick age-up.


British (BR) (DU)(JA)
Guides
Rise to the British Empire - General and very thorough guide to the British

Strategies
The British Hussar Musket Combo - Well written guide to an early Hussar/Musket Combo
21 Musket Rush - [Rush] - Very hard musket rush utilizing very early 2 barracks
The British Musket Sting - Similar to 21 musket rush with only 1 barracks
Brit Native Rush A Nilla strat which takes advantage of the wood cost of natives, the natives treaty card, and the british longbow, for a versatile unit combination.


China (CH)(AZ)(IQ)
Guides
Basics of China An almost all-encompassing China guide, with details on the consolate, banner armies, cards, and more.

Strategies
Basic China Colonial - By the modest 1x1
Basic China FF - [FF] - By the modest 1x1

Dutch (DU)(PO) (JA) (SX) (IQ) (IN) (BR) (AZ)
Guides
The Rise of Amsterdam V2 - A good overview of the dutch civ with some nice strats.

Strategies
Mrmilo Dutch FF! - [EcoSemi] - The classic 3 bank ff, great strat! (FF) (BOOM)
2 Dutch Semi-FF's Very strong semi-ff strats (FF) (BOOM)
Dutch Defensive Skirms The basics of a Dutch Rush Defense, based on using you buildings as a sheild for your skirmishers. (INF)


French (FR) (PO)(SP)(JA)
Guides
A Guide to the French by __Sephiroth__ - General guide, containing many French strats contained in the other guides as well as some general French strategy tips
Crazymoose's Guide de la France - General guide, containing many French strats contained in the other guides as well as some general French strategy tips

Strategies
Cuirs are cool, the French Cavalry Semi-FF - [CavSemi]- Incognoto's semi- ff with hussars (CH)(RU) (FF) (BOOM)
French Hussar Semi-FF - [CavSemi] - iTech64's semi- ff with hussars, slightly different from Incy's (CH) (RU) (FF) (BOOM)
French 2x Muskets - [Inf] - iTech64's musket rush, especially good on vanilla since not many civs have anything that counters muskets without micro in colonial (CAV)
French 2x Xbow Rush - [Inf] - iTech64's xbow rush. A good general BO, but I would put ~10 cdb on wood in transition instead of the 7 he advises. (IQ)(IN)(OT)(INF)
The PHAT or Hussar Start starts you off with in colonial with hussars instead of infantry, which can be eaqsily added later.
10 Musket Semi- FF - [InfSemi] - My 10 musket semi- ff, good against civs that are going to rush with xbows (vanilla), hussars/musket, hussar semi-ff, pure musket/pure hussar rush and booming strategies. (BOOM) (CAV) (CAVSEMI)
Demonstrating 3 French BOs. 3 very good strats to start out with france. A full hussar start which add bows later, a start in which u get pikes + hussar out real quick to counter all 5 hussar semi's and a strat for a 5 hussar semi with dual stable and 2nd hunt upgrade.


German (GM)(SP)(PO)
Cookie's Xbow Contain VOD [Inf] (INF)
Parfait's Xbow Contain VOD [Inf] (INF)


India (IN)(DU)(JA)
Guides
India Guide featuring a few strategies, such as the ones below along with a FF and KarniColonial
Strategies
10/10 - [Inf] - One of the RE patch top strats; a very fast, hard hitting rush. (SEMI) (FF)(BOOM)(CAV)
The Indian Tower of Doom An Indian strategy created to aide the India non-lameness of the FP.


Iroquois (IQ) (SP)(DU)(JA)(RU)
Iroquois BB Rush - [Inf] - James146's guide to the lame Iro BB rush, the premier lame Iro strategy. (SEMI)(BOOM)(FF)(CAV)
Iroquois SemiFF Discussion - The dawn of the FanPatch and higher-tier players prove the BB rush obselete: an alternative SemiFF gives some strategy variety (BOOM)(RUSH)


Japan (JA) (PO) (BR) (RU) (OT) (IQ) (IN) (FR) (DU)
Guides
Japanese Colonial Guide A guide brought to you be Bart which shows this civ's strengths, weaknesses, and what-to-do's

Strategies
Japanese Shrine Boom - [Boom] - The ultimate lame 1.01a strat, strong vs civs who FF or Boom. (FF)(BOOM)
Japanese Consulate Strat Strong strat for defending rushes, or to rush. Can be done with yumi/clubs or ashi/shinobi
Japanese FI NOT A GIMMICK STRAT. Very popular in the Asian community. And you know how those Asians are...


Ottoman Empire (OT) (JA) (PO) (SX)
Guides
Rise of Istanbul: A Guide to the Ottomans Sepiroth's general guide to the Ottomans. Outdated, but full of general concepts for the Ottomans.
An Ottoman Winter - A beginners Guide to the Ottomans Voodoo Boss' general guide to the Ottomans. Outdated, but full of general concepts for the Ottomans.

Strategies
Spahi Fast Fortress - [FF] - Appreciate the true power of Ottoman cavalry with this FF. Crippling to some rushes. (RU)
Ottoman Jan/Abus Rush - [Inf] - Fairly recent strong rush with very early Jan/Abus combo (INF)
8 Hussar Start - [Cav] - An effective way to stray away from Jan Rushing, meant for early large raids and fending of RI defense.
Otto Semi FI - A strategy mainly used for when you don't plan to be attacked hard early on, so that you get extremely strong Spahi/Great Bombards out with shipments.

Portugal (PO) (OT)(SP) (DU) (FR) (GM) (JA)
Guides
Micky Tee's Guide to Portugal A great guide to learn the basics and the advanced strategies of Portugal gameplay

Strategies
Husky's Port Strat - [Cav] A full hussar start for ports
Sami's Strat - Straight FF (VOD)


Russia (RU) (JA) (SX) (AZ) (IQ)
Guides
The Russian complete Guide General Guide to Russia with unit stats and card comparison. Includes 3 strats aswell.
Settler Correlation - Russia My own "spreadsheet" to help you build an economy to fit your needs rather specifically, reegardless of villager count.

Strategies
The RUMM Rush - [Inf] - A musket heavy rush for Russia. Can work well vs cavalry starts (VAN) (SX)(GR(FR)(CAV)(CAVSEMI)
Musket Cossack Rush - [Inf] - My own concoction; exactly as it sounds. A rush with Muskets and Cossacks in the begining.(SX)(GR(FR)(CAV)(CAVSEMI)
The Russian WAR - [Cav] - Another of my own strategies, which uses Russia's cavalry to start. (CH)(RU)(AZ)(SP)(FR)(INF)
Russian Strelet+Cossack Rush - [Inf] - Solid Russian old school rush going for an early blockhouse+stable
Manchu FF - [FF] - Tired of pesky fortress cavalry and cannons stomping your colonial army? This FF is the answer!


Spanish (SP)(PO)(FR)(GM)(IQ)
Spain ATP Semi FF on Mongolia Semi FF guide designed for Mongolia, but works on any TP heavy map really.
Spanish FF BO - [FF] - Basic FF by Droideka. Not as strong as in Vanilla, but still one their best strategies.
SpaColi! - [Boom] - Named and created by Incogonoto, this strategy bypasses the usual FF for an upgraded economy with harassment and/or defense.
Spain Rodelero 2v2 Though weak on their own, Rodeleroes are a great with sturdy RI company.
Spain Eco Semi The 331 dutchies give us an eco-strong start with a varied finish!

Sioux (SX) (OT) (RU) (DU)(AZ)
Guides
Sioux Survival Guide: The Last Stand An overall guide to sioux with the generic strategies written for each, including FF, Club rush, ottoman strangle, etc.
A European Invasion: Beginners guide to the Sioux Another overall guide, with Cetan rushes and Fast Fortresses.

Strategies
Sioux Power Fortress - [EcoSemi] - A strategy that gets you to fortress early with a great economy and many shipments
The SPAR - [Inf] - Asko's Sioux Pistolerro rush can be used in mirrors, orr against brits, ottos, russians, for major success at any level. (BR)(RU)(OT)(SX)
The Sioux SAFF - [CavSemi] - A semi Fast Fortress that has you raiding with 9 axe and getting to fort soon afterward.
The Sioux Cavalry Cavalcade Has you fighting in colonial with bow riders and axes, then in fortress with Rifle Riders and Wakinas

2v2
Francisco Franco Surprise - [Inf] - Don't doubt it. Despite its appearance as a nooby 2v2 pike rush, it wrecks.


Closing Notes
This is also a great time to write up any strategies you have been writing up or write up commonly used build orders that don't have a write-up yet. I will be trying stuff too with civilizations I can play well.

[This message has been edited by O_man0 (edited 11-29-2010 @ 06:13 PM).]

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O_man0
Skirmisher
posted 11-02-09 11:30 PM EDT (US)     51 / 151       
Np fuzzy

and we still need a few more for some civs.

ill try to test any strats you guys have

and ill also rez this if need me for new or needy forummers

1st Leiut. with Russia , Master Sergeant with everything else.
My skill level is incalculable!!! Its been forever since I played seriously...
Mike Sass: Culverins are like Garrichistos, only theyre cannons.
CookieCrisp13
Skirmisher
posted 11-03-09 11:16 AM EDT (US)     52 / 151       
Can you have a way to differentiate between TAD, TWC, and VAN strats? Will there be room for miscellaneous strategies like map guides, native guides, etc?

Also- there are some Sioux and Japanese strats way back when if you like to check them out to see if they're still relevant:


The GoFF The Good Faith Fast Fortress. You age to fort to take advantage of the card 'good faith agreements'
The JADE Japanese Asian Diplomatic Exchange, this one takes advantage of Trade Empire and Native Alliance for a strong yet cheap native rush.
The JOSH The Japanese Onin Sohei Hammer- Strikes early and hard with a shipment of natives, much like a pike rush on steroids
The JAMM The basic build order of an offensive musketeer strike
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Sioux Survival Guide: The Last Stand An overall guide to sioux with the generic strategies written for each, including FF, Club rush, ottoman strangle, etc.
The Tashunke Shank: A New Hope FF for tashunkes? no way! Way.
A European Invasion: Beginners guide to the Sioux Another overall guide, with Cetan rushes and Fast Fortresses.
Sioux Power Fortress A strategy that gets you to fortress early with a great economy and many shipments
The SPAR *Favorite of them all, Asko's Sioux Pistolerro rush can be used in mirrors, orr against brits, ottos, russians, for major success at any level.
The Sioux SAFFA semi Fast Fortress that has you raiding with 9 axe and getting to fort soon afterward.
The Sioux Cavalry Cavalcade Has you fighting in colonial with bow riders and axes, then in fortress with Rifle Riders and Wakinas

Summarized many of the strategies here so you could add them.
Looks to be going well so far, might replace some stickes

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ckei
Skirmisher
posted 11-03-09 12:10 PM EDT (US)     53 / 151       
oh noes now I have to update the thing.

hmm I just got an idea doppel. What if we combined our strats into a big article instead?


whisper me at eso

O "All you big boys stay back and let me do my thaaaang"O

[This message has been edited by ckei (edited 11-03-2009 @ 12:17 PM).]

O_man0
Skirmisher
posted 11-03-09 04:33 PM EDT (US)     54 / 151       
Thankies Cookie, and yes, assortmetted basic and miscellaneous guides can be put in. I wouldnt mind putting in VAN strategies either, but TWC ones are too similar to TAD ones so I would just them out.

1st Leiut. with Russia , Master Sergeant with everything else.
My skill level is incalculable!!! Its been forever since I played seriously...
Mike Sass: Culverins are like Garrichistos, only theyre cannons.
Fuzzy044
Skirmisher
posted 11-03-09 04:36 PM EDT (US)     55 / 151       
ADD MY MANCHU FF NUUUB!e

ESO: Fuzzy044
Rank: Master Sergeant lvl 17 OP!!!!
YOU ARE SMALL!!!

1X1 is nice
O_man0
Skirmisher
posted 11-03-09 04:46 PM EDT (US)     56 / 151       
i did lol

1st Leiut. with Russia , Master Sergeant with everything else.
My skill level is incalculable!!! Its been forever since I played seriously...
Mike Sass: Culverins are like Garrichistos, only theyre cannons.
CrazyLunatic
Veteran Musketeer
posted 11-10-09 00:14 AM EDT (US)     57 / 151       
Possible stickification of this thread?!

QUACK

[This message has been edited by LordKivlov (edited 11-10-2009 @ 00:50 AM).]

LordKivlov
Royal Guard
posted 11-10-09 00:50 AM EDT (US)     58 / 151       
Japan bad against Russia? That's a new one. Maybe a fool Japan player that relies too heavily on Ashigaru and Yumi fears Russia but theres not much you can do against them when they turtle with a shrine and spit out Naginata and yumi shipments.

Proud Citizen of Sovietcanuckistan
DukeLeto
Skirmisher
posted 11-10-09 00:56 AM EDT (US)     59 / 151       
Bart331
Skirmisher
posted 11-10-09 00:59 AM EDT (US)     60 / 151       
lol indeed russia > japan.

Russia was maybe one of the only civs who could do fairly well vs japan @ 1.01a

SUNIL IS NUB!!!

Battle.net:Bart (227)
ESO:Bart331
CrazyLunatic
Veteran Musketeer
posted 11-10-09 01:49 AM EDT (US)     61 / 151       
idk, nagi+consulate units(mainly clubs to counter cossacks) can be quite good vs russia IMO, their musks don't quite do that well vs nagi and obviously nagi beat strelets very very nicely
However russia has a quite strong rush/contain so idk how that match up fairs.
Possible stickification of this thread?!
so is that a yes no or maybe?

QUACK
A414A_Incog
Veteran Musketeer I
posted 11-10-09 03:05 AM EDT (US)     62 / 151       
Imo TITD is lamer than Agra.
LordKivlov
Royal Guard
posted 11-10-09 10:36 AM EDT (US)     63 / 151       
Russia was maybe one of the only civs who could do fairly well vs japan @ 1.01a
Any highly aggressive civ will put Japan on their butt in the early part of the game and be able to win assuming the Japanese player plays like a standard Captain and goes for Ashi or Yumi. I've enjoyed a lot of wins against Japan with quick rushes and then shrine hunting while my army builds up for the final blow but I've also been pretty badly beaten by some Japanese players because they turtled and used their buildings to their advantage for defense.

Proud Citizen of Sovietcanuckistan
A414A_Incog
Veteran Musketeer I
posted 11-10-09 10:53 AM EDT (US)     64 / 151       
India did quite well vs Japan back in '.01a.

As interesting as the "this civ does well/bad vs this civ", I think it might be hard to accurately pinpoint counter-civs. You might also get debate and such. I wouldn't post that part, but it is definitely a nice idea.

Anyway I like this thread quite a bit, so continue editing and updating it. It's a pretty nice idea. Adding pictures might be a nice idea (civ flags, you know..).

Other than that, I prize myself as someone who can macro rather well. If there are any new strats that you need or want to experiment with, I'll look into it.

Apparently there are a few missing strats:
Spain colonial
Iroquois (semi)FF
German strats (two VODs of the same bow strat, german have more in them than that!)
Indian (semi)FF

[This message has been edited by A414A_Incog (edited 11-10-2009 @ 11:08 AM).]

Bart331
Skirmisher
posted 11-10-09 12:21 PM EDT (US)     65 / 151       
iro ff is fun, i won vs Sunild93's 10/10 with that in an epic match.

SUNIL IS NUB!!!

Battle.net:Bart (227)
ESO:Bart331
O_man0
Skirmisher
posted 11-10-09 06:59 PM EDT (US)     66 / 151       
that 5 cuir card is irritating against attempts at a fast rush, making it VERY annoying, but really suni? losing with a 10/10 to that? nub

Ive never seen a Japan player starting with Nags (maybe its cause im less than a captain ) so the USSR ill be writing will basically own them, though its for team games mainly.

I could write up Sami's Germany Semi if need be, and an indian ff would be nice.

as for that Spain Colonial Strat, very appreciated. Havent tried it, but looks good. Ill link it soon, gtg for a little.

1st Leiut. with Russia , Master Sergeant with everything else.
My skill level is incalculable!!! Its been forever since I played seriously...
Mike Sass: Culverins are like Garrichistos, only theyre cannons.
CrazyLunatic
Veteran Musketeer
posted 11-10-09 08:02 PM EDT (US)     67 / 151       
that 5 cuir card is irritating against attempts at a fast rush, making it VERY annoying, but really suni? losing with a 10/10 to that? nub

ya his forest prowlers beat meh! in my defense my deck kinda suxed because 1x1 haxed it before game so it didn't have resource shipments age 2 so it was difficult for meh to age after him

QUACK
Fuzzy044
Skirmisher
posted 11-10-09 10:28 PM EDT (US)     68 / 151       
you guise blames every thing on 1x1 no wonder his self-esteem is so low

ESO: Fuzzy044
Rank: Master Sergeant lvl 17 OP!!!!
YOU ARE SMALL!!!

1X1 is nice
Mariomasta RJK
Skirmisher
posted 11-10-09 10:47 PM EDT (US)     69 / 151       
I am anti-all clan members, especially nubxnub, duck, O_nub, Nub331, and Lord_nubby. Look at new sig

DISTISOP
ESO: Blitzkrieg_Mario
Prefered civs: Hell, I like them all.
Rank: TWC PR 18 (master sergeant) TAD PR 17, Vanilla PR 12

Clan: Triple Entente
Favorite games: Dofus, AoE 3, Tremulous, CoD 4, SSBB, Urban Terror
CrazyLunatic
Veteran Musketeer
posted 11-10-09 11:42 PM EDT (US)     70 / 151       
I am anti-all clan members, especially nubxnub, duck, O_nub, Nub331, and Lord_nubby. Look at new sig
i'm still your BFF then XD :wub:

QUACK
DukeLeto
Skirmisher
posted 11-11-09 01:42 AM EDT (US)     71 / 151       
oliandsam
Skirmisher
posted 11-11-09 12:45 PM EDT (US)     72 / 151       
Mario still loves me and sunil

eso name: oliandsam
rank: 1st luit
clan: some silly dutch one
"A single death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a statistic."
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Masquerade Pig
Skirmisher
posted 11-11-09 03:22 PM EDT (US)     73 / 151       
Aren't Ports bad against France since their military is mainly ranged based and CdB have ranged resistance? Maybe it's not that significant, but it gives France's boosted economy more time to come up with some military when you are invading their base.

Meh. I come and go I guess.
I no longer play on ESO. Just GameRanger.
Also playing Starcraft II Beta though.
My account name on SCII is Caiaphas.wisdom.
Mariomasta RJK
Skirmisher
posted 11-11-09 03:30 PM EDT (US)     74 / 151       
i'm still your BFF then XD :wub:
1
Mario still loves me and sunil
1

DISTISOP
ESO: Blitzkrieg_Mario
Prefered civs: Hell, I like them all.
Rank: TWC PR 18 (master sergeant) TAD PR 17, Vanilla PR 12

Clan: Triple Entente
Favorite games: Dofus, AoE 3, Tremulous, CoD 4, SSBB, Urban Terror
O_man0
Skirmisher
posted 11-11-09 07:17 PM EDT (US)     75 / 151       
Portugal military has just as much melee units as any other civ lol

1st Leiut. with Russia , Master Sergeant with everything else.
My skill level is incalculable!!! Its been forever since I played seriously...
Mike Sass: Culverins are like Garrichistos, only theyre cannons.
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